Bring Evolutionary Road Back.

i really don't understand the way ncsoft is trying to bring "the balance" to l2. look:

pre god:
"- yhm, lets make all your 85 lvl toons with +30 skills and+15 icarus/vespers worth nothing after awakeing". well we started on god, but still, the thing was to make game for 85+ lvl (so we could make 1-84 in one or 2 weeks).

god:
keep in mind, that game starts at 85+ (or even 97+ on 1 year old server).
1st "chapter:
- primeval island with 15kk quest for fragments. players were happy, we could easily make 85 without camping rbs for hours.
- bah! quest got nerfed after like 2-3 months.
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2nd chapter
- we had: craftable twilights/seraphs, rewards for doing istina (armors) and octavis (weapons).
- bah! harmony patch - no craft, no drop, no extra rewards. players who made 95+ before, had tons of r/r95+ stuff, newbies had to w8 for market to balance
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evo road and mentor launched, so new players can make 85 easily. players are happy.
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3rd chapter:
livindor update.....
- mentor 50%
- no bounds (only common c grades)
- exp 1-84 is now pain again. i remember how i could easily make 40-55 in cruma in like 1 hour or so, now in 1 hour i was able to make 40-45.
- chain quests - ye they work nicely, but only till 50, since 50 u have to start exping again...
- new coins - meh...
- new vitality system... 1 hour spent in toi3 (on 63) and bah! 50% of vitality is gone
- items - well i bought bound items for my alts just before livindor so i'm happy, but new players...
- the only good thing for new players is 1 hour iss buffs, that really helps.
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new craft system... i just cannot imagine why ncsoft made a new craft system for old servers? there is a plent of bound items on market or stored in whs, so who will craft r99 weapon if we can have bound one and unbind scroll... i'd understand if there would be a new grade of stuff, but since there is no new grade how this new craft system can possibly fix "economy". for new players? yeah sure, i can see how army of dorfs will spoil draco bow shafts, get recipes so some1 can try to craft shiny draco bow! especially when - of course now its hard to get 85 - but still its "doable" in max 1 month of semi-casual playing.

anyway the point is, that even lvl 99 players (like me) feel that something went wrong and since evo road is independet project of innova it should be launched again to help new players in livindor which is not "newbie-friendly" chronicle, compared to previous one.

 

"now in 1 hour i was able to make 40-45."

not true, following quests and killing some extra mobs got 40-55 in one hour, u no need to sit in cruma like before..

" chain quests - ye they work nicely, but only till 50, since 50 u have to start exping again..."

not true, leveled mine orfen char trough quests till 62,
basically sometimes u need to grind only 50% of some level to get new ones quests, but it takes 5 minutes, those oel mahum shaman's are pretty nice exp though.

" new vitality system... 1 hour spent in toi3""

at last it's more balanced, not like before pre 85, almost full vitality all time, 85+ vitality gone in 5 minutes...

" items - well i bought bound items for my alts just before livindor so i'm happy, but new players... "

i bought too. :d

and yes, i like that crafting is come back into fields, i think it's just need a little time so people in server would get more and more recipes this updates moving us to good direction,

but, the solution in my opinion would be not to put back evolutionary road, since it's was total busll**** to give everything for free, like dyn and so on, but just raise adena drops, adena rewards for quests, lower s grade price of weapons in luxury shop, and don't make 200% to 50% exp buff lowering... then it would be brilliant

 

people definitely need as a first thing a functional lindvior drop list without it there is no craft system start...

 

most of the monsters are updated to lindvior with drops and spoils, in l2wiki

u know why i think most of the peoples are so angry?

"omg, i cannot alt and level up myself a mentee for myself, omg i don't get mentee coins enuf, omg omg omg, cry me a river guys

like "likas for example, dafuq u care beying 99 with all items? only becouse mentee coins i guess,

so if u using pool questions, add:
absolutely, i want mentee coins easier, or change :no way, i am already 90+ so i don't care to :no way

 

i was smart enough to buy standard armor and gear from the npc's and luxury shop (a though s) in both robes and heavy so that i would not have to worry about this. cost me some serious adena but as least i do not have to worry about new characters not having gear; except for s80 grade.

but i have to agree this new system is going to cause a lot of new players to quit early in the game since they cannot afford their equipment. lindvior is not the old days of l2, new players do not want to spend weeks trying to grind just for equipment since so many current games are new player friendly.

in pre god there was no "get your gear for free" so the crafting system was in full swing at the time. now they offered players an easy way to get temporary gear so they could reach the new "game starts" level easier. now you took that function away in hopes of bringing back the crafting system, most new players are not going to make a dwarf for crafting, they don't have the patience for it. i am a crafter from the old days of l2, not here on core since the game started in easy mode, unlike ncwest who's been around for 9+ years, but now you go back to hard mode.

those are my thought on the matter, but i would like to see ev road return, if anything to help in bringing in new players to the server. if not then i am not effected since i already horded gear from b to s grade before the **** hit the fan.

 

here they say : due to removal of old crafting materials, addition of new crafting materials, unidentified and blessed items no longer dropping from monsters and the changes to hunting areas, all mob drop tables will be changed.

http://wiki.terragamers.net/index.php?title=chapter_3_drop_tables

so if all got changed, then where is the new version...

btw. agreed, that when you give baby a lollypop, then it pust it into its mounth and then you take it away, it is going to cry... that is what is happening now. if people wouldnt know evo road and bound items, they would not be angry now, but as they have seen it all and now its taken from them, they get angry and leave. hardcore oldtimers stay, but i'm afraid we are loosing the new players. and will be loosing even more, once they reach 85, have some 50kk adena and realize they cannot buy r grade armor/weapon with it...

 

aha, so u have leveled ur char to kill orfen... good, but i want my altchar to hit 85+, so you think that on 75+ it will also take 5 minutes to get new chain quests :d? without pa i saw how it goes after making fields of massacre chain quest, i need to make 62-65 just on grinding to get next chain and belive me - its not 5 minutes...

about vitality, so on 99 in solo spot i had my full vitalty gone in like 5 minutes, yeah big diffrence :d.

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so your guess is wrong and its my personal matter why i want to make new char - i can even make 85 char, delete it and create new one..., but what i wrote affects every new player, especially if you are completly new to a server and cannot afford to buy anything. l2 is now designed for 85+ and i don't know how you can't see it. why to make exping 1-84 harder? if its the matter of mentee coins its just should be cut of by 1/2. i just want to get new players instead of fearing them out or well seeing the same characters but with new owners..

we are discussing evo road, bcos thats the only thing that can be changed. adena rate x2, spoil x2? yeah sure... crafting system? again even in early epeisodion translation it was said smth like: "we need to rebuild craft system, since linvindor changes didn't work that good". of course i might be wrong but i don't think, that we will see many ppl who will dare to craft r99 instead of buying it. there is one reason, l2 was always designed for hardcore grinding, in na server you have tons of bot who can spoil materials, here - well, we can say that there is no bots.

and i wanna see how ppl will craft dynasty weapon, really, i'm looking forward to see it.

 

people need to start realizing that lineage 2 is a dead game and that the only newcomers are people who played this game before. who better choose some lol private server instead of empty lindiviour global.
stop living in dreams this server in half of the past year had like 100 new comers

 

wasnt s grade removed from luxury shop????

 

can't disagree with you man. i am trying to, but i can't. the truth hurts. peace. i'm out.

 

they are. but low a are still there. ready and available to buy.

good. bye. if you're agreeing, that l2 is a dead game, you're free to "be out".
seriously, guys! noone is forcing you to play this game. noone is forcing you to pay for it (since it is complete free to play). noone is forcing you to be happy with the way the things on server are. people, who appreciate a wonderful game and a free from bots server will stay here and play it. with or without evo road. easy or hard to level. this doesn't mean that the server will die. newcommers will still come no matter you like it or not. of course there will be tons of qq-ing people as well, but i don't remember anything new, that didn't came with tears. noone is really leaving lineage 2 anyway. no matter how long you stay away, you always come back :d

 

my view on the matter:

ncsoft in a failed attempt to bring the old days back has shot in the dark yet again. the coins are not proportional to the growth rate of the character. it has to be understood that the players joining oficial at this post are mostly over their 20s, many of them alrdy with past experience on ncwest, going uni or with fresh job, there's no more patience to take forever to reach an average point that is even irrelevant to the competition.
the abolition of the road makes the new start harder, yes l2 is what people think as "an hard game to develop your character", but what does this mean if theres no big flow of people to play it? why are you scaring your own playerbase?

the 85+ game already has got pretty darn nerfed, people who were 99 with blessed ++sets, with +++ skills and dual class skills are alrdy at an incredible advantage much greater from those who are stil on their 90s right now.

i was hoping for the server to grow a lot, i met a lot of players who simply loved they could go to an average point in short time and made them stay. it was incredibly good sign, but now i lost that hope of having much more players.

i also do not see how is it intended to have more and more 1 language servers, when it's alrdy bad for core taking it's "incentives" to play.

 

a small suggestion from my point of wiew:
stop considering pre-god and post-god l2 as the same game.
just done reading which changes lindvior made...when i stop to laugh i will make a more developed post,if i feel to.

 

i don't agree that we should start the game at 85 but i do agree that it's harder to get to 85 now. i'm a new player who started playing a week or so before the update but decided to wait on leveling up until after the update since updates usually leads to faster leveling and better rewards for new players. oh, was i wrong!

the biggest problem is the new coin system, it does not replace the evolutionary road armor/weapon. even with the iss buffs it's not enough. before lindivor new players had armor and weapon for their main class and all subclasses now they have to make a choice since we can't afford both.

it's a fun little game but it's not worth it as a new player right now but i'll check in on the website if they ever decide to help new players again.

 

new clanmate got lvl 76. 900 steel coins. s grade weapon costs 2000 coins. no s grade dagger at auctioneer or in the market. how shall he level until 85? in a grades ?

 

lindvior marked as hardcore update, so enjoy xd lineage is back as it was - no newbies allowed...

 

the truth is that without evolutionary road, core server is losing a lot of players, innova had to leave the evolutionary road but without vita pots and buffs pots, only equipment (till s80 mby) and some ss (like till a or b) like ncsoft did...

 

lindvior is far from being hardcore and not even close to being "what it was". it is still too easy to level up the problem is you are unable to get the gear you need. so you are saying no newbies allowed, so that means you are not interested in bringing in new players. unfortunately noobs are what the server needs now to grow, not narrow minded people like you. the server is losing players and i see this in all the normal places i go, even some of the people i convinced to play here and quit and returned to ncwest for the sole reason as they still have their path to awakening.

innova needs to do something to bring in new players and fast or the server will be a ghost town. lindvior system and the new "improved" crafting system does not work here, the server is only 1.5 years old and does not have a massive population of players.

 

unfortunately that is true, i too have friends that started playing here together with me but left for ncwest just because of path to awakening. i myself don't find it such a big problem leveling up just because i came to love the innova servers, the downside is that you are competing against a more noob-friendly server and also official distributor of the game, many people choose to go over there, then they get bursted down by propaganda about the european servers and they never think twice to come back here. as a company i find that you are using wrong tactics to draw in new crowds of people to your obviously superior servers, you need better marketing.

 

i see piotres didn't get my point... ofc it woun't be as hardcore play as it was c1-c6 etc lol, as game is evolving and making it easier to get to 85 and then these insane 85>99lvls(soon 100) without need of boting.
i speak for new players(not c1-c6 etc coming back to see what's new...) so imagine newbie coming and failing after lvl40? even as you mentioned experienced players will say wtf is this 76+lvl and just hardly a gr weap...
and don't forget it's summer and all on vocation/summer works etc, ofc kids plays in privates as it's easier for them to lvl up to max... so bigger player boom we can get just in autumn which soontm . then failing players will come from ncsoft to see what this server can offer, but the start here will give bad feelings to most of them...