Botting- NO!!!

simpy: selling adena for real money is prohibited for char and bot so you get answer or i shoud explain it to you?

 

so what? they ban the bot and next day another character will be at the same place. they ban it again, and next time another character will be there. the point is it's hard to fight against automated software. it never gets tired and doesn't mind doing the same stuff over and over again. and as i said in the previous post, by pointing on this issue, you just increase the general knowledge of bots, increasing their numbers. you certainly don't make the work for gms easier this way.
let me ask you one question: are you not smart enough to understand such a simple concept?
you are just repeating the same over and over again without giving any constructive arguments or solutions at all.

 

in real life i would take money and hire people to protect me.in l2 well fck would take mail and not a single f**k would be given srs
also you cant compare these 2 situations as consequences in rl are much harsher for money crimes

 

i see you dont get it.
when you are in game ther is writen:
dear users! selling / buying ...............
............
and will be followed by a penalty.

now i expalin how it shoud work step by step for you
gm found bot. -----> ban him
then he check log system let say 7day.
bot trade with p1
bot send mail to p2
bot trade with p3.
then gm ask them why they trade with that person etc.
p1 answer: cant expalin why he get adena from that bot= adena buyer.
p2 answer :he send me, not i= results warning from gm and adena deleted. = results? if he buy adena from bot he lose real money so probobly wont buy any more.
p3 often traded with that bot= bot owner

if someone cant expalin why he get so much profit from stranger(like you said he send it for ban his enemy), he is warned and teached that if he in future get presents like that he shoud call gm and send adena back to owner, or smth like that.

this way trafic betwen sellers and buyers will be harder and have risk of lose real money.

 

and i see you never sold game currency's for rl money.
there are literally million ways to make transfer smooth and un-suspicious to gm's.it can go as far as trading 10kkk as multiple 50kk transactions over auction house with a grade jewels and other ****.
and yeah good luck tracking all that with around 1500+items being sold daily in ah.
your intentions are good but innova would need to hire another person to monitor all that **** daily 24/7 for that to work.

p.s bots never pick up,stupid ones yeah but those who make money with it never ncw lesson nr 1,invisible items and trade logs can hurt you and your income pretty bad

 

that thinking is flawed again because it's easily exploitable. you can't presume something without a hard evidence, that could possibly lead to many misjudgments and unfair punishments. also p1 could later trade the adena to p4, p4 could trade it to p5 up to p11. p1 could be a box who will never log again and the gm would have to interrogate the whole trading tree up to p11 which would require tremendous amount of time and in the end it would probably solve nothing. the final result would be that gms would spend 20 hour investigating one case while the bots will be running free.
also what if p1 and p2 trade the adena for the items in the meantime? if you'll rollback the transaction, you'll just add more work for gms and damage other player(which could even lead to a chain rollbacks). if you'll delete the item, then you are damaging the economy.
there are no simple solutions to this problem, so please stop pretending there are.

 

for me its better to start working, if ppl will realise that they can lose mains/real money for contact with bot( they will see list every day banned ppl), less ppl will try to make such deal. so in consequently less be work in future.

ther is good quote: when you dont know from wher to start, start from somewhere.

 

but it won't be less work because people will find their way around it. as long as something can be exploited, it will be exploited no matter what the risks are. it's not feasible for gms to check trading trees up to n-th generation and rollback a countless of trades. they have to do things efficiently as their time they can spend on the issue is limited. that's why simple and fast solutions are better than slow and complicated ones. they also have to be sure they are not punishing an innocent person, besides it is not ethical, it also could harm 4game's reputation. they also have to be sure the new rules can't be exploited by players to ban their enemies.

 

exactly my feelings. bot numbers have increased tremendously in the last weeks. i report batches of them almost daily (and almost all of them run the same script and are warcryer/phantom summoner). those are not players who tried a bot and deserve a slap on the hand as a warning. it makes no sense at all to just suspend those accounts for 30 days. there is noone to *play* these characters when the suspension ends. they were created only to bot and the thought that all those characters that i reported will just keep start botting again once their suspension ends sickens me.

 

all this talking about bots it's rubbish it's just some kids with a wynn and a macro keyboard ..lets hope there behind the pc when some gm pms them xd.

 

you either are extremely clueless or trolling. a macro keyboard will not send a character back to town periodically to sell loot, rebuff, and port back to their botting destination. it will also not be able to choose one of several fixed destination points, run the character there using always the same path and then fight mobs and pick up items. it will not heal a character when getting low health and it will not let them recast their summons if they die. i guess i will need to make new videos to show "people like you" what is going on.

 

you presume all those actions were made by an automated software according to what? any/or all of mentioned action could have been done by hand. i've noticed that a lot of you people assume that someone is bot just because he farms somewhere a long time and doesn't react to certain event as you'd expect a person to react to them. but that is flawed too. you better let the gms judge who's bot and who's not, i'm certain they're far more competent in doing that than you.

 

nothing strange that there is bots. with drops rates after lindvior update it's normal. hard to get items. hard to get adena. hard to get gear. so nothing strange that people use bot.

 

a macro keyboard can work very well can use any keys ingame like in a wynn next target aoe from pets use more then one macro to summon pets every x amount time as for going back to town player takes over? all i'm saying is you can do that kind off thing if you are watching the pc lol .with frost nothing else will work this is not lol nsoft bot land..

 

experience and observation.

no.

i am not one of "those people" and "farming a long time" or "not reacting to me" was not mentioned in my post.

i do. gm pask probably could assure you that my bot reports were accurate so far, if he had time and liberty to do so.

there is no certain level of "competence" needed to spot a bot. either you know how to do it, or you dont. i do. i believe you don't.

 

yeah, what was mentioned in your post is that someone has a lot of orc cards. that's an awesome observation, gms should ban all people who have more than 10 orc cards, because they are certainly bots. no way a legit player could have so many orc cards, right?!
now i'm pretty certain that if you'd live in 1500's, you'd be spearheading all the witch hunts in your village.

 

you are wrong again. that was not my post.

 

right, i have mistaken you with the op. **** happens. yet, i'm not wrong *again*. i'm wrong for the first time unless you can me prove otherwise. the only thing you've said is that you have "experience" and therefore you can for sure tell a bot from a real player. but i guarantee that you couldn't. even gms won't ban a person if that person happen to be present at the keyboard by the time they check him. so if you know everything so much better, maybe you should apply for a job at innova.

 

yes you are. you said "any/or all of mentioned action could have been done by hand." to which i replied "no"

the question if you are wrong or not does not depend on me proving it. so no, i am not wrong unless i can prove you otherwise.

you are obviously unable to determine what character is botting, and you don't know me. but you feel you can give this guarantee. you overestimate yourself.

the first sentence has no relation to my posts or the topic and the second sentence is just a flame. weak ending. anyway this is my last reply, my next post will just contain a video link showing bots - and anyone with common sense *will* be able to see that those are neither controlled by hand, nor by a "macro keyboard".

 

bots are money
money are rice
rice is power
power is money
money are more computers and more bots
more computer and more bots are more rice
more rice is more power
more power is more money
more money are more more more money

i voted : i love playing with bots

bots are like santa's little dwarven helpers
they do what you are supposed to do - farm and get $
when you get $ this way you can keep been a fine example parasite of your society

lesson off
obey

and stop bothering me in mos - i'm busy .

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