Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

i think, that you missed my point entirely. please, go back to my post, re-read it a few times, re-think what i have explained there, and come back, either revisiting your statement ( because currently it is very off-topic ) or admitting that you have no idea what i am talking about.

where did i "excuse" myself or rg ? i am stating the facts, excuses or not, that's how things are, and there isn't much i can do to change it.

 

i'm seriously offtopic?
what i am saying, is that the only ones that "frequent" the pvp spots, are the ones that achieved ( in terms of gear ) their goals. be it by farming or with other means. just so it happens, that on our server, those are mostly people that didn't exactly farm their gear, they are bored with the game, the serbidor is dead ( they have nothing to do ) so they go pvp and call anyone else that doesn't do the same a "pve scrub" . i will ask again, where are the 100+ people from bs every evening ? pvping mucho ? because i don't see them. besides wine's party, elesmira + a few others ( people not parties ) i rarely see anyone pvping. even when the hero shouts are full with mucho "gf" and it's mainly between ba and bs, i still don't see any other than the "top" parties from bs pvping. the rest are where ? (c) elronia 2014

 

i agree that problem is not with ppl but with chronicle, there is just not much to do if you are 99/99 full ap, ofc you can gank parna, but it's boring and it takes to much time until someone come for pvp not just to enter instance with cele.

problem is that there is no any open field worth to farm, that's why it's hard to find pvp.

 

and ? you are off-topic. as i said, your party might be "out for pvp" every evening, so do share with us what this consists of ? also, my party is moving around all evening also, and i said before, i don't see the 180 people of bs running around as a "pvp clan". what i said was : "is that the only ones that "frequent" the pvp spots, are the ones that achieved ( in terms of gear ) their goals" . what this means, translated, for people that didn't quite get it : "those are the people that are satisfied with their current gear, not necessarily the ones with top gear, and feel comfortable to go out pvp or find it interesting to stay and camp parnasus for hours".

me and my party included are behind with gear as well, nowhere near "top parties", because even if we "only" miss a pvp set here and there ( means, so far 0 people from my party have one ), it's still is a difference huge enough. still, i don't need top gear ( as you said ), i currently own a s80 spear, with which, every month, i am getting my hero and which, on request, i can use to kick almost anyone's bottom on open pvp ( ronove excluded qq ).

so, i still don't understand, what your statement has to do with the topic "what is a pvp clan and which clan on core is actually a pvp one ?".


edit : also i find the "people join rg to farm epics blabla" quite laughable, because, people join ba or bs for exactly the same reason, well except the ones that speed-farmed :d so it's pointless to put it up as argument.

 

you guys can blame chronicles/amount of instances and so on but its like that since first days of god. if top cp(cl's cps) are not giving examples there is no way to provide daily pvp. ask yourself how much time did you move out of town with your clans? ofc there is no pvp clans - bcoz there is no cls who would like to make them so. clan is smth what is formed by cl an his core. and majority of cls and their co leaders spawning only for pve. the way of thinking of those people are- there is no income - we dont move. in pvp there is no income - only fun and possibility of improving. if you want income - donate bcoz even dragons nowadays are not giving that huge boost counting how much people are joining there.
p.s.
theory that you need to get a "pvp set" to be able to start pvp - its just sadness.
/hnofs, severance.

 

yes u should blame chronicles aswell. around glory days /lindvior there was several daily pvp going on. for example lolonda,oath,ltu and the new-hb were pvping everyday cp or not, 92 or 99 agaisnt everything that moved. you know why? because the game alowed it, it allowed people of 4 lvls diference to fight each other without any real impact or extreme advantage to one side. i had several pvps vs bs, some i won, some i didnt, some were impossible.

now try to go fight with 97 vs 99 with 10 ap. it's not easy, it's not the same as fighting a +6 set (the benefits are just a bit more on +6 set unlike ap).

but yes some people take this to extreme, look at that clan *** breakers or w/e ridiculous name it has, ppl forever with +++ pve gear doing what they know best, pveing! only once they flaged and died instantly. on some players gear will never help, ur a nuker, not a tank dip****, dont stand there taking dmg.

 

blame chronicle? if all clans wanted to pvp everyday why there are no arranged mass pvps? clan vs clan in s.o.s,imperial tomb, monastery, garden of eva etc?
@yunalesca game moves on and so must players. there is no excuse to have less than 8 ability points in this chronicle. me personally farmed 11 of them in less than a month with less than 2 hours sp per day + dailies. farming should be rewarding pvpwise to the player otherwise why we dont spawn +15 pvp weapons and armors for everyone so we can fap all day to our fully stacked toons?

 

tell us more about your pvp clan, please.

 

there is no point in talking about smth you cant change - like chronicles. what you can is to change your play style if you want so.
@elronia. who are those "us"? not all of your clan members left for ba/bs?

 

sadly, hnofs, not even your cp wanted to follow you when you left rg, let alone building a clan, that will become something more than dreams and hopes.
let me break it down for you :

when this server started, 3 years ago, my first alliance was with 2 clans : severance and unknownsociety ( from where i know my very good friend, shimura ). for good or bad, severance decided to go their own way, because they didn't agree with the decisions and the presence rg had, and us fell apart after mezix stopped playing. 3 years later, redguard might be known to be the biggest pve clan on the server, full of "pve scrubs and farmers" and people that excuse their selves with "i need to build a pvp set before i go pvp", but let me ask you a single question :

what did severance achieve ?

you weren't there, i know. that's why i am asking you now : what did you achieve so far, for the past 6 months, that you have been playing ? you can't even gather more than 2-3 parties to follow you, and you're bashing others ( not only me i guess, with the cl's example, if it wasn't targeted at me specifically, it was targeted at all major's clans cl's ) ? when you prove, that you are something more than words, then we can talk and maybe i can take you seriously. until then, you're just an air balloon - flying high, nothing but air inside.

and to answer your question : rg has the same online numbers, as we did for the past 1-2 years, depending on the day, between 70 and 100 ppl online, 110-120 for sieges, including members that are in clan for the past 2 years. we're feeling good, thank you.

 

atm daily pvp for some goals doesnt really exist. bs average parties are pr on sight, our average parties are 7 0 usually atm

from time to time there is some mass pvp at parnassus or soh, soa... but its only for fun, result of pvp has 0 influence on some farm spots or smth

gainak dead also, reduced chance for dropping pvp stone kinda killed last spot for open farm, but even if not gainak was about making last hit lately, not pvp.

dragons pvp ... bs usually doesnt participate at dragons if they dont have more ppl than our ally has... and lets be honest, 1b for bottle from event make dragons kinda not so interesting

 

if we talk about facts, clan from "2nd league" are kinda making much more pvp than people in top clan in general (of course there are exceptions).

about severance's past, what you are talking about, nobody is left from that crew, i joined severance and become clan leader of it way after they left your alliance.

what did we achieve? we managed to gathered this year, in barely more than 3 months, a clan of 6 parties (because we really didn't want to have more) of full pvp 99 people, we were able to defend ourselves and we could have been much more if it wasnt for one simple thing: i had to work and study at the same time - no time to lead - clan disband. now the people is split on bs, some other quitted after us, some of them dissolved their cps and are in many places around, others came back to us when we try the severance project again.

the problem here to gather people with the profile we are looking for, is because people's mentality is kinda this:
- i'm to pro to go to a small clan
- what is the point to make pvp at all?
- always some donor will kill us so why we should try?
... and similar stuff.

this project we left in march, we tried to remake it in your clan, gather a group of people who is interested on this. and guess what? we got the answers i quoted above, only our party was making daily pvp (nice group, btw) or at least trying (cos always got overnumbered) and only casma seemed to be interested on making something together. and that is sadly all.

and that is why we left, or at least that is the most reason: because what we are looking from this game, we couldnt find it in yours. no hard feelings about that, at least from me.

at the moment we got 4 parties, yeah of course they are not some kind of op people but we share the same feeling and the same goals: to improve and become mainly a pvp clan.

if you and your people are fine with how you are, i dont see the point of blaming anybody about anything, right? stay doing what you do, keep being what you are. after all you are feeling good.

 

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so you saying that in a 40 minutes antharas/valakas fraps where you entered first with more than 100 people your ally is dieing from ghosts? shadows? paranormal activity? . losing 1k crp in 3 days can be harsh.

911 elronia

 

wasnt playing here for that long time as you and for sure i dont know/care about "old good times". i am judging people by what i see with my eyes.
about 6 month. that's a lie. i was playing here 2 month as ordinary heal then i took a break for 4 month and atm i am playing second month with my cp or 3rd week as severance. about ppl who didnt follow. i joined with 6 and went out with 5. the only guy who didnt follow was sorshy. well i am sad about it. but its his life not gonna ask about his reasons. what is about the rest they were/are your clan members for good or for bad they are loyal to you so dont use them as an excuse of me beeing a bad pl but rather as compliment to them.
your question about what i did: when me/my clan will have smth to show we will. atm its just 3rd week and things are going.
if you are curious about what i did in general in l2. you can ask me in private and i can give you links and yt videos. and do not show me your "ballz". talking about past times and your online. bcoz it does not matter how much people do you have under your tag, matters if they are really yours and what are you doing with them. for the time i was in your clan i didnt see it. you can apply to me that my words didnt mean nothing to you, that can be true, but it doesnt change the fact.

 

you know, that i don't have hard feelings for you too. we disagreed, you left, that's it. i didn't say a word to you in a bad way, did i ? and now hnofs is trying to insult me. well he didn't manage to do it, but my politeness ends when people are being arrogant, without any real grounds to hold their words.

in short : hnofs, either do something that's worth mentioning on this server, or don't talk at all.

best regards,

 

should i start the topic why ppl joining ba, bs, rg? cuz of drops thats all lul. what's the point to talk about pvp? anyway logy is right about that nothing to fight atm.

 

continue the epenis fight, i will grab popcorns - this is like mass verbal pvp.

pd: i agree on what you said, we will talk once we can proof something. i doubt it will change your mind tho, elronia. patience

 

beeing nice = beeing 2faced for you. or rather lazy to solve your clan stuff. allways blaming all arround when it goes to a question "whats going wrong in your clan or why people are leaving it". that is who you are. i am rude? sad story.
about me sharing my opinion. not you who will tell me what i can say or not. moreover in public forums. i didnt say a word about my clan beeing op but it doesnt mean that i cant point on a **** when i see one.
/you hide from problem any time they spawning.

 

as i said, u appeared when u had numbers and we didnt had.
and u named it very exact, crp status, thats only thing about u care and always cared, thats why so hard trolling from us about it...
ur clan prefer to not participate at events instead of taking some more negative crps, and i never undestood it... why... well we got mucho free epics without any effort put ed into it, but still was boring...