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  1. yLogy

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    advertisment for what? for your zerg? its just fact. u instead of improving urself, improving numbers, bcs from your perspective ba is clan of nolife zerglings. if u should see our numbers u might be surprised. but we wanna play game, so we try to be competitive even if rg solo bring double numbers. .. thats difference.
     
  2. Elesmira

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    you ask elronia and others do something your official alliance did not do when bs were 70-80 people. it is sad yes. it is sad for your clan. ba are having their own "new era" indeed and i can aknowledge that (yet being strong hater of ba in the past for various reasons ;) ). it is like you ask to stop poverty on the world.

    you deal with people wake up. when you see a character ingame its not ai behind using it. wrong or not on what he is doing elronia is a human. summing up what humans are. most humans are selfish emotional backstabbing beings. and i can put myself as well in these. you ask an utopia where clan leaders and clan members will focus on making "fun" for themselves and the enemies trying to balance forces and in items.

    just as logy abandoned bs in the past and started flaming on the very 1st day on forums and ingame glorifying every action of ba, like the carpet enterings, like defending digger and his ways of farming "killing clan/ally members". just like maximo left ba and went rg, just like many "headsmasters" of bs abandoned ship when bs were sinking. just like turnon did the same 1 month later. just like that elronia did what he does now. it's not strategy. its dem feelings.

    don't you get it? they will do anything to make you spit blood just like you did anything to hurt your enemies in the past. ba and rg were so butthurted with bs in the past because of bs actions. i bet you have no clue about em but in general all are around the overuse of zerg to take raids. and you know why bs did that, why they showed 0 mercy? because ooc before them did the same. because it is not about balancing server, its about destroying your enemy, winning.

    just like bs earlier, ba got their own sack of sins on their backs. and mostly is circling around the flames and the arrogant behaviour of certain people. people do not have balls to say sorry for anything. they must justify everything they do with brainless obsession about defending themselves and having 0 self judgement.

    give it up, it's the way the world is. even outside l2. everyone ends up being the same,(talking about masses not individuals), just in different time spaces.

    can you for once stop hating? i know the feeling, it burns your veins. i got it too sometimes. review your self, your clan, from the very start, and make a review as a 3rd's person's perspective. what i wrote as answer to leroilion can help you.
     
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  3. yLogy

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    excuse me elesmira, but from your post i got a feeling ba clan is destroyed and on knees pleasing for mercy from defro and elronia.

    i kinda see situation different. i see your ally no ally so called ultra zerg trying so hard and failing even harder. but ill let u observe. u can observe now, what to do when u challenge zerg.
    in times when ba rg ally were formed it was 200bs and 70bs2 vs 80 and 100.
    later so called top players like alarion made 15 000 crp minus and still declaring themselves as unbeatable pvp monsters. well, ....
    even in your so called fresh history, bs were clan with biggest online. u had 160 ppl in cc, while rg, ba had much less. its just ur leaders who gave up.
    at the moment we challenge with 120 ppl clans with 160 and 250 online ... and as u see we are not giving up as u did in the past. we compete for everything, bcs for us numbers arent everything. we might loose, we might win.
    . but victories will be flawless and they are...
     
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  4. Elesmira

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    excuse me logy, but i can't stop smiling like child getting chocolate. once again you prove yourself brainwashed. ok let's start.
    summer 2014, heine owned by blackswans. cc=80 people
    ba+rg aka more or less 300 people.
    attempt to take heine, failed. gg. "flawless" victory for bs.

    correct, and it took you at least 3 months to stand your feet while bs numbers meantime were decreasing and yours increasing. good job

    top player like alarion had a cp that could win cp vs cp most if not all your cps. bots no bots, gear not gear, its a fact. and idk why the 15k minus has anything to do with alarion. not to mention the 15k minus was when "riot" happened. (cough)

    what fresh history, define it. after lilith merge? yes we had around 140-150 in sieges. rg like 160 as well and ba like 120-110. what's ur point. you were the same force with rg. what's the word? ah...i remembered... alliance. (enclave is out of discussion of course).

    what we did in summer? lawl. what rg did before ba? lawl.

    as i remember riot happened around start of summer, sepsa quited earlier because he was pissed everyone was pring against their cp. what happened after... oh...bs continued it's existance till today? no?

    and two words about giving up. nemesys-maximo.

    and yet, you, can't swallow defeats.

    indeed they are, i can't say you don't do a good job atm. now excuse me logy but i will sleep. idk why i stayed up so late anyway.
     
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    words. only words. i might have misunderstood but you seem to be against that nofire with rg. so just asking why aren't you showing your disagreement to your clan leaders ?? like kengaa cp did with bs and still it ended up in a leave from a good cp...

    still we are getting some fun like yesterday pvp but once again i saw only en(evilnation) and bs fighting , gf to those two clans, do not expect rg to fight back , it would be like asking to nickmgs to show up in mass pvp during the evening, they have better things to do aka pve. it's their choice and we can't ask them to stop that.

    everyone is playing his way , and i'm the first to be unhappy about this avoid pvp mind for all cost , but simply you can't ask someone to change just because you want him to.

    we will certainly keep flaming in forum or keep writing big ideas, it will never change the way of people are seing the game because like elesmira said , players are humans and humans like to make everything easy for them. otherwise irl wars would still be with swords and shields !
     
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    anyone can make me a resume of this thread ? pls
     
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    that would be great. ^^
     
  8. Thunderlane

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    you kinda misunderstood me, i'm not asking anyone for anything, and i realize that we're dealing with humans here with all their greed. but i'm also not describing a utopia, cause i've seen it work. i was just explaining a kid, why he's wrong. and about the masses - in the real world we have some concepts that in lineage you normally don't have. like the clan leaders in l2 doesn't go through election usually, and there is clear chain of command. so when comparing things you shouldn't put apples to oranges, so instead of masses you should imagine armies. so it actually take very few people to change the face of a lineage 2 server, something that isn't that true about the world in general.

    and yes ba has not only past sins but for sure current and future ones. same as bs. ba might not achieved a "new era", i'll be the first to admit that there are still many many many flaws, but at least doesn't act like a vermin. bs also have countless flaws, some things i hear usually make me laugh for the rest of the day. but i'm sure bs would want to have several rounds of pvp for dragon, instead of bunch of dead people waiting to port.

    core has bunch of bad clan leaders, lets face it, and this is the root of all the flaws. i'm not going to comment logy, first because i don't feel comfortable discussing my clan leader, second because even if i do, you'd say i'm biased. but take a look at the rest. one clan leader abandoning ship, one thinking if you scream loud enough everything will be fixed, one thinking if you promise the same item to everyone, thats the right way to go. most clan leader doesn't take the time to actually inspire people to do something, and here i'll give some credit to elronia, cause he manages to somehow make people believe, the sad thing is that he has totally wrong ideas what to inspire them to believe in.

    but no, in my post i wasn't asking, i was trying to explain what the problems of core are. in my own opinion, as a random, outsider, naia bot, if you want.

    p.s. funny thing is that only the forum trolls took the time to go through the post, read it, comprehend it, and answer to it in a serious manner. trolls of the world unite [​IMG].
     
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  9. DefNotMits

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    i read all your posts so your forum trolls theory is correct. :d . if you want a sum of this thread kengaa's,alarion's and last 2 leroi posts give you the exact situation of the server and a sum of this post.
     
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  10. Thunderlane

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    maybe it's time to take a page of innova's book and make our own private dragons. stage several pvps and the loser buys tarot cards for the winner [​IMG]. and on real dragons bs, ba, rg in carpet mode, with clickers primed [​IMG].
     
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    i prefer if they delete whole pvp idea from this game and make only pve!!!
    so then we can all be friends in same ally , same side ,we all can go dragons togethere holding hands .. we would be bff = best friends forever
     
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  12. Elesmira

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    it's good then you aknowledge you ain't in a holy army of angels but a crusade. now about the server status, also good yea, and let's not full ourselves elronia is not a bad leader he just looks for the profit of his and only his clan. nothing else matters. that of course has consequences. and we see them.

    and i ain't a troll. maybe not 100% i was just kinda retired from forum fighting months now, didn't have any spark to start doing it again. i was just posting music and gifs and maybe some giggling posts to piss off some people for the lulz. thx for making me to write all that **** and feel the feeling of a mighty forum fighter in my chest again. [​IMG]

    well i m not fully against the "ally" we got with rg mainly because a) doesn't hurt me and i can still kill them in parnasus (yep selfish but it's like that) b)i got some people i like a lot in rg and i do like the fact i m can actually feel like we have a same purpose (kicking ba *****), and we co-operate in that sometimes. altho atm i m staying in blackswans mainly cuz of cp and the people i know already in the clan, the current situation tho is not something i really like or enjoy.



    it all started a rainy evening (in my city), 27 of february 2015 a.d.

    leroilion made this thread in order to create some drama about some people that belonged to genocide clan in ncwest. fire started the forum warriors equipped with shiny keyboards started to fight for the glory of...hm...their clan or their past? oo . ok so anyway flames continued, and 2 guys aka alarion and kengaa said few things about the server situation. then leroilion jumped in and explained why these things are happening, then i said why these things that he says (altho they are justified demands) cannot happen at least at the moment. then i answered to logy's propaganda post (woof woof mad dgos barking (c) alarion ;) ) and went to sleep. today leroilion quoted me and said that he wasn't asking anyone to do anything just pointing out the problems. true, maybe i missjudged it.

    now i demand a thanks both of you and undressed because it took me 5 mins to write the above to explain you what's going on. ty my ladies.
     
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  13. Thunderlane

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    to be honest, even tho i hate answering to just a part of a post, i have to point that i actually said that elronia is charismatic enough to inspire his clan, the thing is that he thinks only about his clan, which makes him a bad leader, because, risking to repeat myself again, by cutting the branch your enemies are sitting on, you're cutting the branch you're sitting on as well. once upon a time i told someone, from the leadership, that if i was there when ba was porting in carpet mode, i'd seriously have a chat with the leadership and probably just press the leave button at the end. my views on this didn't change since then. and the reasons alarion, kengaa and i already gave.

    apart from this short clarification, yes i get your point and i acknowledge it's a valid one. tho i like the current situation, it gives my clan opportunity to see what they can improve and ask themselves question how. still a long way to go, but at least i see a change not stagnation. maybe one day logy will indeed live up to his propaganda. so lets make a deal, if it doesn't happen i post a video of me barking, if it does you post a video of you shaking tail (if you don't have one i can send you the one i used last time i cosplayed [​IMG]).

    p.s. about the trolling, yes i know the feeling, and i'm glad that you found your forum warrior fire again [​IMG].
     
  14. Elesmira

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    i 'm considering to accept the challenge [​IMG]
     
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    realize one and only truth:
    god does everything to own!
    dat's why i am god!!! no peace of troll will stop me or tell me what to do, what is right or wrong!
    as i said, cry as much as u want... game mechanics... game donors... so go pvp with ur donorz as much as u want. that will be right thing to do! xd
    go watch dictator's pov and u will see how strong are ur nondonorz...

    p.s. already understood what kills game is: failgamemechanics and l2store... or still too dumb? :>
     
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  16. Nyweris

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    qq delete...
     
  17. NiNeTT

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    we love igotthepower
     
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    thanks

    (can't post w/o this last sentence..)
     
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  19. Thunderlane

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    much better.
     
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    so mean :eek:
     
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