==Innova Answer==

lol @ people who are crying about pa, even with a pa in the beggining you make faster leveling with quests than hunting, so its not imbalanced for anyone, plus how do people think the servers can keep running if there isnt services like this, afterall this is a business for them not only a game.

and if you cant afford a pa, its your own problem, like 10 euros permonth would hurt.

 

meybe players who crying about pa is 13 yr kids, mother did not give the cash on pa
go to work and get it

 

i was paying 6,50 euro/month (270rub, 30pln, 8,8$) for pa in russia.

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on the other side, ncwest must put op items in shop to keep ppl buying it.
thats about your fair chance.
innova game model is working great at russian servers. trust me, i play there.


salut,
dегiоs

 

you took the words out of my mouth mister, that is deffinately the case for 70-80% of "no-pa" whiners, others just don;t have a job/credit card(if thats the case - you're doing it wrong - playing games should be at the bottom of your activity list). trololol

 

why should it be at the bottom? if i enjoy it and consider it worth my time then why? because society generally deem it to be uncool?

 

no, but being a neet is deemed uncool and it is.

 

that is not what we talked about, you said it should be on the bottom of the list, why? there's no reason. fixing your car as the hobby is something society considers a lot more correct and proper and its all just ******** honestly. even if you prio your games high it doesn't mean you don't have any other purpose/role it just means you consider it worth your time. what is the meaning of life? well i consider it to be happy, i for sure don't count games on top of my list as i used to do when i was a spoiled brat but i think its fun and therefor it's not lowest. fair enough?

edit: it's same as people who say i don't have a real job because i make games, do you have to do something boring for it to be cool?

 

what part of "you can make lvl 60 in 1 day and probably 85 in next 5~10 days" you did not understand? its really stupid to whine here bout some premium accounts n amount of new servers, since we got no influence on em. this is business. there is old chinese saying "give a fish to a man, feed him for one day. teach him how to catch it, you ruined great business opportunity." premium acc is inevitable. the question is if it will be from day 1 or they will wait a bit for it.

 

if you can fix a car - that's a skill, if you can play a game - it isn't, being able to use a computer is. if you get a salary(or any income whatsoever), you have a job, even if that is creating games, "it's same as people who say i don't have a real job because i make games", i don't know who told you that, but i certainly didn't. and if you would actually be making games(maybe you do, i don't know and i don't care) then you shouldn't argue about pa's and supporting your games instead of freeloading.

 

huh on ru off players can buy pa for adena from other players

 

depends on what you do in the game, play eve for example and tell me there's nothing to learn from it. if you really want to discuss this subject with me feel free to pm, here is something you should read first though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/serious_game

 

oh i play eve, and it's a game as any other, and there's deffinately not much to learn from it that you can use in real life unless you don't know what au is from mid-school. and there's nothing to discuss about, since you're bending my argument to the whole different direction.

 

are you saying that l2 is educational game? or as they say on wiki "serious game"?
son there is nothing in this bloody game what you can't learn from book.

 

oh i'm not, you are stating that you cant learn anything from games which is false and i prove such to you. you can learn basics about trading and management from eve for example, leadership is something that can be learned also ofc its not equal to reading a book and studying but practical experience isn't always wrong even if its less. also one thing that can greatly be improved by games are languages, i know plenty of people who learnt most of their english by playing mmorpgs.

no i was stating what he was claiming about that you can't learn anything from games is false, please read my response above. and obviously you can learn most things from books but that doesn't make games something you can't learn from. see the difference?

 

oh hi!
someone called?
:d

salut,
dегiоs

 

hello all,

we will start with obt then we will launch the live server. we will start with one, and it might go on and on, numbers are not set yet. the info about the server number of servers is not conrete and we will look at how active the players are etc. but surely we will do whatever to make it comfortable for you to play.

 

the game it self maybe, but it connects people over net. i made allot of friends cose l2 provided first "connection" with them. i can say from my exp after i started tz community it has been privilege being able to lead a clan in which there are group of people who are sticking with community in good or bad.
you forget that l2 is virtual world in which you represent yourself, no matter if you change nickname or class you are who you are. also you learn the human nature, how some people can go low over an virtual item which is nothing but a code and a 3d picture.
some stuff you find in mmorpg games cannot be found or explained in the book, you might get the point after siting at pc with same people over the years and you realize that even if half of them you haven't seen and might not ever see irl you judge by their personality and not by looks and first impression you would get if someone is short, bold or cool looking guy/girl.

 

hello!

thats great confirmation! i am looking forward to check out obt.

on a side note i wonder what avatar will our dear community manager use. *hint*hint*
i like azimut's one. ;-)

salut,
dегiоs

 

if you wanna be someone and something one day, no one will value your gaming diploma. ))))))
the difference is obvious, but don't forget that most of us is abusing this game for the pure enjoyment and nothing else than fun. the education from games is kinda in shadow of the things i said.

 

some of the games are "educational" - yes. but playing games is not a skill for rl. so concluding what you said is like this - consider a person who thinks like this: "ok! i'm 18+ years old, i should start thinking about my life, family and stuff, hmmm... oh! i know - i'm going to play games - learn some broken english, virtual leadership and i'm going to be successfull and happy for the rest of my life!" is that it?

i'm not saying it's bad to play games, i am saying you shouldn't be sitting in this forum when the game isn't even released, if you cant afford 15euro/month for your "happiness", and argue pointlessly with a guy who can.