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  1. Sirien

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    ok, i will give u a shot , in case u got enough iq to make a proper conversation.
    although i get the feeling its not worth , since l2p for u is not "learn to play " but "learn to abuse any miscalculated game mechanic in ur advantage"

    lets compare two similar situations .
    light armor mastery on healers.
    they get to choose to keep the old one , like many other skills , and get max casting , +++ p. def and insane cp/hp
    if they combine it with a dual s +4 . that's what was intented ?
    it created a clear discrimination between healers that had the old one and healers that had the new one.
    they removed and made classes balanced again ,since it was clearly miscalculated.
    now lets go to the usage of iss buff with old ones.
    you get to choose to keep some of the old ones , and u get to "stack " them with the new ones .
    it makes a clear discrimination again , like in 1st case , between the guys that abuse them and the guys that dont .


    there are ppl here that admit it its op and use it to lvl up themselves and farm crp.
    and there are ppl that although they use it like 1st kind of people , they try to convience us that its not op and works as intended.
    who are u trying to fool ? u exploit it and farm ur ***** off , in pve and pvp while 80% of the server exps/pvps with ordinary iss buffs and by that has much lower stats than the exploiters .
     
  2. Delios

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    light armor mastery was giving much bigger bonus than intended.
    there is no such issue in other skills by far as i know.

    i think you dont even know how all this stuff works dont you?
    do you know what buffs replace other buffs?
    did you test it? do you know how to take advantage from it?

    my grp tested it and yes, we got an advantage from it. from nuker point of view keeping songs **** coz i dont have wizard's harmony...
    but other party members have increased mdef and cooldown reduction. worth it? yes. giving us extraordinary power that allows us to exp faster? no.

    protip: buffs from iss and disco is quite low improvement in "keeping old skills" table

    if you fail to see that old buffs are better than new ones... well... you fail, but this is not the end of the world yet, isnt it? :*
     
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  3. Sirien

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    lol ! as expected low intelligence arguement .

    but lets get to the point , no i didn't test it on my cp my friend , since i am not in need to enlarge my
    e-penis in pvp with "any way that can give me an edge over others " attitude , i prefer to pvp with equal terms ;]
    yes , i know how it works and what advantages it gives , you don't need lots of brains to see that nc failed on buff stacks.
    pre-god era , u couldnt have 2 prophecies , right ?
    well post-god era , u can ! cos they misscalculated (like in light armor mastery ) and left that window for exploiters like u to abuse it .

    p.s. plz take a grip , ppl that have seen it , already know that its not only the 20% magic attack from that synergy , its also the magic defence u get , the 80 lvl synergy with the re uses etc , the pow , and much more according to what combo u will use with harmonies.so its actually a big help in pve/pvp and u are trying to convience us its not big deal .

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  4. Delios

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    protip: you cant :d
    you just do not know what is an equivalent of prophecy in new buffs.
     
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  5. Sirien

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    again weak flame ,

    sense , buy some.


    drum does give same alike stats like cov but
    harmonies act like prophecies of iss , since u can either choose one of the 3 harmonies , just like prophecies , but u have harmony and prophecy , so.. ?
     
  6. daFlow

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    why do u even answer this brainless guy? he got completely no idea what he talking about.
     
  7. Sirien

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    another guy , abusing it ? :))
     
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    your lack of knowledge is uncanny.

    harmonies are not equivalent of prophecies.
    drum melody is and gives bonuses similiar to prophecies.
    if you do not buff drum melody you can receive old prophecy.

    harmonies are more equivalent of disco merged with some other buffs.
     
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  9. daFlow

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    sry, u cant use "abuse" for something which work as it should.
     
  10. Sirien

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    keep posting videos , maybe u will even convience us that u use that stacked buffs cos they give u lower stats ,
    so u can provide competition .

    light armor mastery abusers were screaming that "it works as it should " but we all saw what happened m8 :)))
     
  11. daFlow

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    just face one thing - it wont be changed because u don't like it.

    stop talking about light armor, it was known since weeks they gonna fix it here as they did for koreans ...and guess what they didnt even touched iss. now cry.
     
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    edited for accuracy :))
     
  13. Delios

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    whatever floats your boat.
     
  15. Sirien

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    serious business flame ;o

    sec i will get my 12 year old sister to search youtube for videos to flame u back , ur style !
     
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    why do you ppl cry for something that is so far away anyone's fault here (neither innova nor any player) ?
    since when is god in korea ? like the beginning of june or something ? anyone a little bit interested in the game, the changes that will come to a server, would be curious to find out what will matter, what new classes are going to look like etc. (or correct me if i'm wrong, but that's my point of view and i have always been excited to find out skill changes and all new skills any class gets)
    it's a substantial thing, when especially such a huge update comes out, to take a look, because if you want to have a competitive advantage, all these small details count very much. (and all the crying here is literally an effect of being an ignorant to many things that were displayed on many boards, repeated by many players etc.)
    do any of you even have an idea that what ppl cry so much for is nothing else but huge cultural difference between korea and europe/us ? in korea, most ppl by default accepted new skills and learned all of them, so not much crying been done there, as most players just rolled on. our mentality is different, we try to seek any detail as i mentioned above and we found some.
    but some things wouldn't been discovered without asian friends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltpb5vdmrq&feature=related as you can see some of them have similar instinct and i'm happy that they share some ideas with us.

    anyway, another thing is that some players got greater experience with new chronicle (like delios himself, as he played on ruoff before and after god went live (beginning of october)), but don't be jealous for that, it's always been like this and using cheap arguments like buffstack not even having an idea what does it stand for (it was fixed on ruoff a long time ago and here is a completely different thing which is still present in korea, taiwan, china, russia, europe, us etc.) is making me feel sorry for all ignorants that blame other players. harmony is coming soon, tauti a little bit later, but you can start looking for some infos right now to prevent even more crying, go for it.

    cheers
     
  18. Umbarabumba

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    we "abuse" it same way, still i say its ******ed and should be changed same way as in case of healers...
     
  19. tommaso

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    there were many "******ed","sick" and "overpowered" features in every update that went so far. and until now everything was like that we waited for korean fixes made by original developers. it's what differentiates official, retail servers from private ones and makes an overall fairness for the whole playerbase and does not allow a group of butt-hurt players who lose at the moment to change something, because they want so, because they were lazy not to look into given changes. and what will happen next ? people will cry when a 99 tyrr warrior awakened from duelist will massacre them with +20 duelist spirit ? it is meant from default that you have a choice, you make it, invest a lot of effort in it (making a pre-awaken skill to +20 is a ****-load of adena not like making a bd/sws and just awaken it), and you end-up reported by some butt-hurts which did not realize the potential of some issues. that is really sad.
     
  20. Umbarabumba

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    i agree, never said its different, thats why we use it now, thats why i used light as a healer but in this case healers mastery was tiny advantage compared to this one
    ofc we will keep using it, we didnt make bd enchanter w/o a reason, ppl didnt do any research earlier and now they will suffer
    still the fact is that this is ******ed, advantages of having "almost 2 harmonies" at the same time makes rly huge difference
     
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