Stacked buffs

why its not close te be called stacked?

please refer to this:

 

buffstack is an bug that allows you to have same type of buffs at same time.
ex having full enchanter buff and full old buff. (ex. horn melody and empower)

this bug existed in early version of god (long before l2.eu started) but was fixed.


using old buffs instead of new ones are not buffstack.
for example using pow instead of drum melody.
there are differencies between two, but they are same type of buff and you can only have one.

differencies are for ex: drum have +20% mp and pow have +20%hp
pow can be reenchanted to decrease speed penalty, drum have lower penalty on higher levels
both give 20% matk but drum gives crit chance while pow gives crit dmg
drum have countercritical effect, pow not.

 

thats true but

in this case we dont use old buffs instead of new ones, so do u
we r stacking old buffs with new ones which shouldnt be able to co-exist in new system bcuz they should exclude each other
to make it more clear:
i always get knight harmony as a healer for high pdef
if i would like to have mdef and and nice skill reuse i would have to get wizard harmony
but
now im getting knight harmony and dances for mdef and skill reuse
normally buffs with such effects exclude each other in new system
in this case they dont and thats why it is proper to call them stacking
simple, isnt it?

 

buffstack is having for example, 20x might buffs, or empo at same time, so you get 20x the bonus of that buff (which is a bug)

having knights/war harmony + rhythm of magic (the one that gives matk and mdef) isnt buffstack, learn game basis, then flame

 

same way i can stack 2 things which should not exist together, its also stacking, learn the word meanings
i think i clearly explained it above (so did neizv) to ppl who dont understand that, if u still dont, well.... primary school should be the solution

 

maybe, arent real buff stack... simply, koreans forgot that rythms + iss buff = op... innova should say if this is a real bug/exploit or if this is normal...

 

you guys are so hilarious. untill rythms+ harmonys is declared a bug, no1 is exploiting or abusing.

stop crying already. we all know it's wrong and makes orc enchanter a bit worst in some party. tbh, i got kicked out of nuker pts because of not having wizard's harmony (nukers lose 4% m attack, such a big difference!!!) but archer partys love me, cuz i got rythm of start. it's a choice, not a bug, and wile you sometime benifit from it, sometimes it's the complete opposite.


deal with it

 

making that "omg buffstack so imba" as you call it was part of the developers idea of having versatile skill-builds or you simply can't see it? for example shs can keep their emp. echo which is pretty good on low lvls, archers can choose to keep rapid fire/dead eye if they feel like it also rappid shot is not bad for farm. lets say a iss decides to not change wizz harmony this means if he goes to a wizard pt he can't give wizz (gives higher m att than anything else) and if he goes to archer pt if that pt has 3 archers they won't have mage force for ex. and other kewl thingies... its all about the skill-builds you can be pvp or pve oriented or w/e the hell you wish :d.

 

i never said my party is exploiting or abusing bcuz of this stack, i just say it is ******ed and shall be changed

 

which buffs, that arent supposed to exist together, you call them buff stack?

 

u have everything explained above, please read again and maybe u understand this time

 

dude, but where is it written that rythms arent supposed to stack with harmonys? where? you are basing your game view on players oppinions? and please, every1 else, stop comparing this to healers light mastery -.-

 

i dont see anything explaining why its buffstacking and a bug, just few ppl saying that its "op" and shouldn't exist, but i dont see any offical site saying its a bug, buffstack or w/e you call it; you have the right to take the new buffs or not to take them (in case you dont, you can use old buffs + new buffs)

 

it would be buffstack if you would have wizard harmony and songs. it is normal buffing when you are using different buffs.

is it giving you advantage? yes.
do everyone can do it? yes if proper preparation have been made.
is it fair that not everyclass can achive that? no.
do anyone cares? no.
is it allowed/legit? yes.
is it gamedesign? yes.
does ncsoft plan to change it like they did with 'light armor mastery'? no.

 

and where do u see me saying its a bug?

 

you cant have 2 harmonies buffed at the same time, though with old rhythms its almost as you had 2 of them, hence some people are calling it buffstack, w/e you want to call it its not that important and isnt the point of this thread

glad we could agree on that

to some extent youre right, if people did enough research about god in the right places then maybe this wouldnt be an issue, though isnt it stupid that you have to get to know the game(chronicle) before youll start playing it, i cant remeber any other mmo where learning a new, higher lvl skill would make your character less useful or playing the same class from other race would only bring pros(or at least let you choose) w/o cons.
2nd of all, could everyone with their healer class leave the old light mastery? yes but then it got fixed anyway.
and last but not least what about all the enchanters awakened from ol/wc, theyre automatically being rendered as less useful(ol can be out of party vop bot atleast ; ))

some of us do, i believe you do aswell, why would you bother posting here otherwise?

ofc it is, noone says it isnt/shouldnt be

is it game design flaw? yes

this is innova

delios: now my question to you and i would like you to be honest, would making all the old skills auto-unlearn make the game more or less balanced?

 

i would like it if every old skill was autounlearn at awakening and i think it would be better this way.
but, i will not qq about it and call people that realized about that: cheaters, exploiters and abusers.
ncsoft made this like that and innova is not developer so they cant change that.
(light armor mastery was deleted with patch that arrived from ncsoft and it was well known that this patch will arrive as it was on in korea for long time already)

 

my handkerchief is dry, also i did not call anyone a cheater, exploiter or abuser and i would advise you to simply ignore those people just as i ignore some others here that are just spitting nonsense.
afaik in korea the old mastery was fixed, here at innova it was simply deleted, thats why my guess would be that innova has some of their own game designers, maybe im totally wrong but anyway that doesnt matter, lets just wait for the staffs responce

 

yes they do. it get's changed on harmony update, as far as i know.

lol? how do you know that it wasnt intended to be like that? as i said on another thread, just because something get's changed on a newer update it doesn't mean that the game is flawed. that's the same as saying "omg i play c5 nuker 100% mcrit flaw flaw, bcuz on gracia it get's capped!"

 

where do you see me saying you said its a bug? l2r

according to what ppl say in this post, the most op class then is sws, why? because our battle whisper stack with all iss buffs (battle whisper lvl 3 gives 15% patk, 10% crit dmg and 10% atk speed, its replaced by horn melody that gives 17%patk, 15%pdef, 79%matk and 30%mdef, but both stack), so in case you have a friend that gives you horn and skip picking it, you can have both buffs up

yes, its a single buff, not party like horn, but still is a big dps boost even for an awakened