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so you just have a clan that care about dkp things, not even enjoy the game as i heard.

 

i am really interested to know how you came to this conclusion.

 

so for everything that matters (aka dragons+raids) you have zerg up, and for everything that doesnt matter (kartia, fortuna, etc) you have no zerg up.

i somehow fail to see the problem.

 

there is no problem. the point is that it is a lame excuse to use this *zerg thingie* now that we both know that the numbers are equal, bs+bsii=ba+rg more or less.

 

bs = ba+rg numbers together nearly.
bsii is additional.

fact is you guys are 1 clan which makes the zerg even more visible and abuseable.

 

so from previous post we conclude that rg + ba = 120+120 = 240 and bs1 matches that activity number ? cmon hax stop bull**** and admit numbers are the same.

i propose to make a bet - every day at aq/orfen we make screens to online ppl (and no photoshop).

 

i m sorry but you fail to understand simple game mechanics, that are the same since the update of ct1:kamael till now.
the truth my dear elesmira is that you are zerg, it`s nobody`s fault and i m not qqing about it, i m simply giving you facts.
when ba appears with 90-100 ppl in a field vs 160-180 bs i m sorry my friend but i consider that as getting zerged.
150 bs under the same clan > ba+rg 200. simple mathematics and game mechanics.
i have at least 30% of my force dieing from friendly fire - no qq - fact
i know also for a fact that due to failure of my clan to follow orders at critical moments,
we are killing around 20-30% of rgs.
so in reality i have to defend vs bs-bsii-rg debuffs and agros and dps while at the same time i have to kill bs-bsii
and try to avoid rg. all your clan is doing is 1)rush 2) aoe 3) win simple as that,
and my congratzulations for reaching that state of power.
i m simply trying to explain with facts and harsh reality statements, what is really going on in the battlefield.
no offence and no qq towards any of you.

 

bsii additional? :d:d:d:d:d rly? :d

 

i did not deny anything of the bold things. you speak about numbers, i speak about numbers. simple as that. so what? you expect to recruit more and more to achieve the same numbers of bs with both clans ? :d good, that's bs tactic though, no? :d

 

problem is not numbers in "paper", its numbers in online times. just bs alone have more online than rg + ba, and then comes bsii.

 

wow finaly someoen wrote it!

you guys must understand u have full or almost full clans. the matter is your activity. you can imagine full ba + full rg vs us and few cps from bs ii? u still could call us zerg after this? just find a way to mitvate ppl to log. we have dkp system, rg has too. seems like it is working even lord gruzz and co trying to spread some bul****.

 

no. u are wrong. if new party appear or decide to join some side, 80 % of parties will join bs, bcs u have nice zerg and its always easier to play when your numbers are better.
if party didnt pass and its dismissed from your clan, most likely cause of inactivity, they will try to join ba or rg. of course, most likely their activity will be same as in blackswans.
point is, there is no point dismiss them from our clan, bcs we still have space for like 7,8 cps. so actually doesnt matter if they are in clan or no. they are not so active, and we must count with it and do our best in recruiting new people. and there we came to begin of this circle. 80 % of parties will prefer your clan, because its way easier to start in clan, which got better numbers.

about your dkp, i guess, its time to start opposite propaganda to dkp. u were talking about dkp, how perfect it is and a lot players eat your words like words from paps.
actually dkp system, with + and -. why is dkp bad? it provides points and chance to everybody in clan. everybody have a chance to get epics. very nice. go join bs.
reality: events when u can get points are organised by top parties in clan. actually u cannot get even 1 point if leaders are not online. so alarion, sepsa, and co will get almost always max points, bcs they lead it and theywill not lead if they dont have party online. u can see this on trasken. there was trasken around 16-00. sepsa was in work, alarion offline, lemaprtus offline. we had enough members to enter around 16-00 gmt +1. but there was no leader, so rg/ba entered at 18-00. no points for ppl which were online.

another things is cheating. some cheats with points were proofed, some not. blackswans members really think alarion was logging teamspeak dual boxes from mobile phone 1 time and they reveal his cheating? i dont think so. how much points he made like this. how much points members in bs made from boxing during events and it wasnt revealed?

is dkp really so fair, how alarion says?

people just didnt realised, dkp has a lot of mistakes. u can see drop redistribution in ba w/o dkp. 15 jewels and 12 parties got something. check dkp list in bs. top parties got 2,3 jewels and just after it rest got his 1st jewel. i need just ask same question, is dkp better in drop redistribution? u have some real life stuff to do for 3 days, u loose points and u need to wait 5 weeks, because another 15 parties were online and get points?

dkp is like pyramide game. if u are top, if u are in 1st row u are saved. and if u are just casual player, what with u. its good, because clan leader will ask u, look at system, do u have chance to get item? answer is yes, u have a chance. pyramid game, u have teoretical chance....

 

what the hell...

 

i'm more motivated to read das kapital than this...

 

wrong. anyone who asks lemp/etc. to be able to create cc if all others are missing will be able to do it, with same authority as any other cl (in that moment) to give orders regarding that event. in addition, he/she will be able to take screens of everyone there and they will get dkp same as any other cl would lead the raid. problem is everyone is too lazy/etc. to do it, but wouldn't be the first time this happens.

you still didn't get it, parties that got 2-3 jewels are in clan from the very beginning and didn't spend points in other stuff to get those jewels, appart that they are very active and thats how they got those points. i doubt anyone who joins bs now expects to get blessed valakas/antharas in 1 month, while some people have been keeping up activity for lot of months to be able to bid for those jewels.

 

1- reason why is not really important. fact is dkp points are distributed, only if specific parties are online.

2- just check it. your party had for sure more than 1 epic, and some party ( not just one ) from bs which was there from begining got 0. for better explain u can check just boa points, u cant buy others things from this points.

 

guys like bimart and kremator getting more stuff because of their friendship with lempartus, and selling it to get adena while other ppl in bs are left without anything, so sad.

or sepsa saying he's gonna leave clan if lempartus ever gives bless antharas to trigger.

or rules put there just for alarion and his party and removed when other party gain anything from them.

 

1) that didn't answer what i said, explaining that anyone could do cc if they want dkp for being there. you cannot expect cc to create itself if no cl are around, thats just stupid, sorry.

2) name what party got nothing being from beginning. you can also check dkp activity that shanique keeps updated, you can see who went to what event from any party, if that party you talk about wasn't active enough ofc they will have less points than others and could not get the jewels first, but at the end they will be the ones with the most points if they keep a minimum activity, and if they do not spend the points in other stuff. dkp system gives what everyone deserves, and thats why i do think it is one of the most fair ways to go for a clan at the moment, even when i think it is not the best. about what you said that 12 parties in ba got something, were they all same active? if they were not, you can't say thats fair, as people who did less work than others got something, while those who worked more got the same. understood now?

 

1- it answers why is dkp bad. leaders not online, no dkp at all. leaders online, their parties with full dkp. so in the end, leaders will get drops, rest when leaders will have enough.

2- just check it 1 by 1. u got 2,3 bottles when someone else got 0. ok they got lately bottle, bcs it was strange if sepsa should have 10 bottles and rest of clan 0. this is point of whole dkp. as i said, u have some important real stuff to do, u cannot be online and bb. u can wait xx months to get something. just because u cant play for few days... thats the fact. and its quite hard. its different when u permanently slacking, but bcs of few days u can loose your ranking isnt so good.
and i dont even speak about newcomers. lets say now u have 1000 points. new party have 0. they need to make +1000 points on u and there is 20 more parties. if everybody will be active, they can wait 6 months for jewel and 6 years for antharas, valakas ....

 

1) i'll copy/paste what i said previously, seems you didn't read or need someone to explain it better to you, choose any answer that fits you better: "anyone who asks lemp/etc. to be able to create cc if all others are missing will be able to do it, with same authority as any other cl (in that moment) to give orders regarding that event. in addition, he/she will be able to take screens of everyone there and they will get dkp same as any other cl would lead the raid."

2) someone who will lose one jewel for few days offline can get the next one, as the one who will get the jewel will be out of competition, and if the "loser" already was on 2nd place he will be the first now, just need to not slack more and with some normal activity will get the next one, thats how it works.