Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

He/she meant that all of them are pure ****.

 

didnt know they puted kick option on l2 store , ok im sorry

 

Stupidity level over 9000

All pretended "top clans" are just random regroupment of few CPs. Maybe try to add to your pretended clan something more than that, or at least consider that even CPs members are humans?

 

I couldn't agree more. If my clan considered me as a nobody, I would not only leave it, but I would do whatever I can to destroy it completely, for it would have lost its very purpose, its very nature.

The simple fact you wrote this sentence shows what's wrong in this server, and shows why people can be clan jumpers. Why would they stay in those kind of clans after noticing that ? I'm a simple random, but you, sir, are disgusting ("bla bla don't care" incoming).

 

LOL. I've been in the best clans both here and ncwest. If clan leader waste his time everytime there is a drama to talk to each of the cp members involved then goodluck, drama will never be solved, more people involved the harder it is to solve. Plus Lanz and Syra left the clan before even talking to the clan leader. You can do it in a clan of 10-20-30 people, after that it just gets too much.
Edit: Before people get me wrong, every clan member is a valuable asset to the clan, my point is, syra and lanz thought they are above the rest of the clan members and kengaa would come beg them to come back. They were wrong.

 

Maybe because your clan should be made to reduce the risk of dramas, allowing the clan leader (or his "officers", because an organized clan will not be able to put everything on the clan leader) to be able to calm things down before they explode ? You said you were in the best clans in a botfest serveur and a "dead serbidor"©, what a C.V...

More over, I think that "bunch of CPs" will probably describe it better than "clan", because it imply more than regrouping people under a tag.

 

Can't imagine lempartus or elronia talking member by member to solve a drama when they got 250+ online, arround 3 weeks speaking with every1 of them. "Top clan's" are organized by cps for something. Every cp leader should take care from his cp members to make clan leader job easier, then clan leader only "should care" to speak on CP leader everytime that is needed. That not means that people that is not cp leader are nobody is just an expresion i guess

 

There is no way to avoid dramas when you have 50-60-100 people with different personalities under the same tag. It's plain and simple.
The botfest servidor you called was home of some of the biggest powerhouses in the history of this game,bot doesn't lead the clan, people do.
The way things work is, Drama between x,y. x,y can't solve it alone? They go to their party leaders, their party leaders can't solve it alone, they go to clan leader, then it's the clan leaders decision and both of party leaders must respect it.

 

That is one of the many ways of how problem solving works. In the 21st century, we have various tools, models, and frameworks to our disposal that we can use to solve both personal as organizational problems. The manner you just described, is very outdated. I suggest you start reading some new management books to get new insights on problem solving and the potential value you can get out of it. The hierarchical manner you just described is very outdated.

 

Just quoting myself here.

 

It's pretty clear for me it wasn't right to pk clan member, can say w/e you want, that "they were avoiding pvp, or that your issue was that they didn't answer, that they are nobody, etc..", truth is he got emo from getting ganked and took that frustration on clan members.
Considering that when all of the times my group was gettin ganked on GoS, he didn't come to help and decided to stay on athelia 2 with the titan group, I'd say it's pbb someone else that thinks they are above other clan members, just saying..

 

vllm disagrees on that.
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logy can confirm.

 

None of my business, but:

1. As said before, clan leader shouldn't talk to everyone every time there's drama, generally there should be a "no drama in clan" rule and the CP leader should deal with QQ'ing in their CP. Other than that, stop being politically correct, senseless banter in clan never was a problem in the past, unless someone was a ***** about it.

2. We continue to play because of drama between opposing forces (which brews competition to an extent) and because of old friends/people we know, which is why clan or at least CP as community is important, though lets be honest there were countless cases of "top players" gathering under same banner for the sake of winning or fighting back and yes, often many people are considered "nobodies", for the worse or the better of it. Not everyone can be heroes, top CPs members or w/e else, but it is important that those "nobodies" would feel "accepted" and to an extent appreciated while in a clan, for they also contribute to the success of the clan, at least to some extent and there's always a chance that "nobody" will become "somebody".

 

Maybe you continue to play this game because of drama, while other ppl keep playing the game because they like the pve/gamble aspect of the game, while others (like me) keep playing because the pvp system in this game makes it really exciting, together with some old and new friends (for sure this game isn't meant to be played alone, and doesn't work well imo without friends)..

And about value of each player (who is a "hero", who is a "nobody"), value is always subjective, which means it'll always be from a specific point of view. Saying "you are a nobody" means you don't see anything at all on that person (from all the things/characteristics/points that you value) and you don't sympathise with him. I'm not saying it is universally wrong, since right and wrong are subjective as well, but from my point of view, I think that considering some ppl "nobodies" just talk to how big your ego is.

 

ronove go like this post too

 

like post = add chingoo no mad i made u 101 to destroy ba

 

you killed ur clan iron !

 

I understand what you mean and I agree at least in some part. PvP system is also a part why I consider playing, but so are friends/people I know. In my post I wasn't so much talking as per my PoV, but rather one that I often encounter.

Many people play to "dominate", which causes drama, which brews competition, which brings us a full circle, as the other side then wants to "pay back". As for the "nobody" part, I in particular mentioned that even the "nobody" can become "somebody" and used quote marks on purpose, as to not indicate that the person or player is actually a nobody to me or others, that's just plain road to failure, I meant it more as that we all started as "nobody", some of us are more well-known and valued than others, like you and some are just "units" or "meatshield", that aren't widely-known or acknowledged, like me. Still, even that holds a lot of value, because this game needs numbers and team work and people that were a "nobody" can become "somebody" as I said (yet again).

I hope that makes things a little more clear.

 

ty for it

your point your point.... you real point? or the flame point after i left? .
first of all you dont even know why we left , we LEFT cp frist and then decide to left clan why i should talk with kengaa? and i didnt wait for kengaa call me back , this was you on my pms trashing about kengaa when you emo quited the cp and waiting someone kiss you.
about lanz or me , that we think we are aboive the rest... you dont even belive it...
mb you , or chingoo or harvey are the kind of ppl who belive you are more than the rest and me... i was friendly with whole clan and im still friendly with the 70% of en.
while your clan helped you cp you got pvp stone you got antharas and heroes... ppl like evernya after 3h of feeding chingoo or other from you pt , noone of you care about him was me who said to help him and stop rr to you cos he was near to hero.
can you or chingoo or harvey say me all the names of elesmira cp? or obli cp? w/o chek ts info? i dobut it , and thats one of the reason we decided left clan AFTER left cp first.
i dont like waste my time for help ppl like you , 1 daguer pvp that you dont use , 1 antharas , dont care about the ppl who help you but you kill ppl if they dont answer you after all the help you recived , where was you when riordian was ganking us or elesmira or obli pt in gos? xping in alteia 2? out of clan? why should ppl help you 100% when you dont care about them?, this is gravedigger 2.0 and i dont like play with that kind of ppl


about ikobu:
i dont know if you was in bs when lempartus , your coment tell me that you dont know him.
lemaprtus was a nice guy who dont care about the game but he was always there when 1 problem apear at least that what i saw and when he cant you had always sepsa who also nice person , a bit direct sometimes but who always try to be all okay ( again , at least what i saw and know) and shanique who i respect and one person who did a lot of work.

 

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