Amount ppl for instances.

Hello
This post is mostly for our
But im interested in your opinion @CM Fragola

How do you think, amount of ppl required for enter instance should be lowered?
For example
For Ekimus you need 2 full pts = 14 ppl
This boss is eazy enought to kill it in 1 pt. So how what there is needed 14 ppl?
Same with epic octavis, istina, even Epic Tauti that most CPs doint ig with main party+boxes just for enter.

Its pointless to keep 14ppl needed for instances when even ppl can do it solo and need to shout for ppl in global to "wtb ppl to enter for instances"

 

I agree, it should be possible to do like in normal octa/istina, that you can enter with 7, so my yes is there

 

once i ask lower party members count for baylor/cc... those can be done easy solo with 101+ lvl char.. happened many flames with bla bla it's epics etc.. you can read here: https://4gameforum.com/threads/612795/

 

We should just get same patch Korea has, all instances there besides new ones can be done with 2 people, that should be good enough imo

 

Even zaken and freya?

 

Not sure on those honestly

 

hehe, zauliuz, hehe

 

Only instances for 14pple could be changed to 7, nothing else ,for obvious reasons.

 

What is this obvious problem? Becouse you think so? Everyinstance should be accesable for 2ppl (like kartia) or 5 ppl(like cc) no need 7 or 14 or bilion ppl.
Im not telling here about Antharas/Valakas/Lindvior/Baium/Helios Major Epics.

 

So u would like to farm those low insta and break market even more? Ok.
Or u want to rich pple to get even more richer,bcoz for sure its nothing good for newcomers?
As far as I can see good stuff in this idea for myself I'll say definetly no for it.
I know in past pple amount was lowered a lot alrdy,cuz of poor online,but we dont need 2 pple farmable instances here which only farmers/rich pple goin to benefit from.

 

What are you saying? If we can enter 1-2 people in an instance instead 7/14, the market is gonna be more broken, because.. wait for it.. people are actually going to get some drops (LOW drops mind you), like rune stone, bear/bewr, or a full armor part/weapon once in a full moon. Let's pretend you are a guy with a lot of time to farm instances and you have a few characters.. ok, congrats, you can learn a skill in few days, no need to buy rune stones from other people for a price you can't afford to pay if you go do some factions and instances and logout. If you are running around with tw set and some low weapon it's no problem, someone else is going to make the damage and kill bosses, but if that someone else is able to do them without inviting you, that's a problem now. If you think people are gonna get rich doing some instances like that you are not really seeing things as they are.

 

i would add frintezza 7 ppl also instead of 14

 

So u consider Tauti ring ,Ekimus belt and Tauti frags,r99 weps pack,even Octa jwls as ,
wait for it, LOW drops?!
Now use ur head and imagine TONS of farmers doing those as daily..what would be prices of those items?!
So ye,market gonna be broken even more.
There is a reason why we r calling those bosses an Epic type.
Apart from l2store thats how pple r getting rich at the very beggining.
Or ok,lets make those instances duo,but % drop even lower to 0.00000001,includin Zaken,Freya,Frint bosses.
Another factor against idea is that game gonna be even more solo type than mmo,
but hey! greedy pple never see futher more than their own tip of the nose.

 

Yes, for sure all the people are going to make .. 10+ tauti runs per period (if they are going to, they are still doing it, no doubts here) ? R99 weapon packs.. please, these things are not common nor would break anything if they do START dropping, octavis jewels.. yea totally expensive and none in the market already. All of these would break the market even more.. how? The market is already saturated with tauti ring/weapons. Good luck making improved tauti weapon with current prices. I don't know the reasons why do you call them epic, we don't. Now you get your head out of your *** and stop thinking about you not being able to do them if the enter requirements change. None of the things that one could get from any of the instance bosses would be affecting badly the players. All of the items you mentioned and some others are plenty in the market, with even more, actually the players who don't have them, would be able to afford them finally. I repeat, people who have that amount of time and are dedicating themselves, already found their ways to do them multiple times, so this would help the more casual players to go do them and have some realistic chance for drops. Currently if y ou go with 1/2 pts, gl making all the ppl inside to use prestige+maphr runes, and then if there is drop, gl getting it.

 

In your opinion that would break market because of drops from INSTANCES, so lets wait for newt Tarot/Fishing/L2Store event That will not break market....
Rich ppl will be even more rich?
Wait i dont get it...
Example
Lets say my my gear is worth 10b, yours is 100b
To make my self better i can spend another 20b and i will increase my dmg by huge amount
You need now spend 60b to have additional 2% dmg, or 200 p.def. becouse you have almost all and now you can invest only in that what you miss so not many items, and expensive one.
So i did better progress than you. Even if our income from instances now is the same lets say 5b/month becouse we do with randoms and we base on luck what will drop to us.
When we will be able to make instances alone (me+box) all drop going to me. We start getting 15b/month
So no you will not be even more rich than before, but i just getting huge posibility to get upgrade my EQ.

Also prices will go slowly up becouse of items on market, but if more items on market = price is lower. Means more ppl who has TW now Will be albe to buy Eternals.
more BEAR/BEWR means ppl will spend more adena to enchant their items becouse they will have some to OE.

And even if some prices will go UP, its no matter becouse they will go up but ppl will have more adena so proportion between price and amount of adena you can buy it is totaly the same.


Your "argument" is invaild becouse of noonsens you put in your post. GL in your imagination market.

 

How is getting a 15b/month not going to make me or anybidy richer,u saying that 0 is better than 15b?! Cant get ur "logic" here.
Where is a problem to create 99evi/titan give it some decent gear,which most rich/farmers alrdy has and do it as daily?! Bcoz thats what wll happen 100%.
So u suggesting that l2store events r good,or why u want to make things even more unplayble?
As I said,greedy pple will never understand poor pple.
Make drop chances to 0.0000001% and ure welcome to farm. That way prices stay on decent lv.

 

You seem to have litally 0 reading comprehension, what he said it's instead of giving everything due to l2store events, to reduce instances to lowest amount of possible people, so they start making alt chars or w/e they want to make just to start farming their way up and start equipping themselved in another way different than l2store, and as said here it would help also the server to get affordable prices of r95 / r99 / bear / bewr / rune stones for the newcommers to be able to gear up easier, making the gap from those who started a while ago and those new people into server a bit easier. I don't know how from that you understood that he wants only l2store events when he wants exactly the opposite

 

Its a tree with 2 ends, if you make them 2 minimum yes casual players will get bigger chance to grow out, on the other end the ppl who are dedicating their time and money(PAs) and doing them solo with current requirements will abuse the **** out of it. I know i will.

So in the end nothing changes, just adena value drops, and ah prices increases. And also considering how people are disgustingly lazy these days even that might not help the sunday player.

 

How is that people making characters and FARMING their gear bad? You say that's bad and prices need to stay on decent level, are you capable of thinking really? Prices are NOWHERE NEAR decent for ANYTHING in the server dude, and that's because people are not able to FARM stuff themselves, or if they do, on every so called "epic" of yours, the drop is ZILCH or something close to. It for sure looks like you are promoting l2store sells to thrive because of people's desperation of not being able to get anything through other means.

Greedy people won't understand poor people? You are simply saying you want drop rates to stay LOW or get LOWER, yet claiming you are poor, and prices are decent/fair. If the drops are higher/people are able to farm with lower count in the party, the supply for those items would be a lot higher than the demand, meaning it would lower their price, so these farmers wont be able to for example sell 10 tauti rings per week for 60b. Even if they farm 10 rings, the prices would go much lower (3b?) so in the end, more people would afford them and these guys won't be that rich. So actually that would help the "poor pple" instead.

In the end, lower prices for the items that drop from the instances, more loot for the casual and the dedicated players, people would be able to gear faster and better, to overenchant their gear, to learn some skills etc.

 

Yes,yes. U r so correct and there is absolutely no point to go any futher with this.
Hopefully Devs can see a bigger picture.
Peace.