Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

I'm tired of repeating myself, with evas rune windy scroll , there's less than 1s gap every aprox 4-5 full skill rotations including phoenix arrow , and that's only if you stay on the same target. 99% of the time you will press tornado shot because you are facerolling on the keyboard while higher power skills will be reused. What i personally did was to move it on my bar to a point i can't reach easily which forces me to think twice before moving my hand there, here you go, free advice of the day.

 

Isnt better to move bulseye than to point where u can reach? On fraps u showed u used 6 times this skill and landed once. Reuse was like 5seconds and targets lot of not purged. I can press more keys and i can reach on bulseyse and 5 skills easily... and no clue what rotation u use... but if skill doesnt crit on mastery and u dont have tornado atleast, u wait and do nothing. Actually even Tornado isnt enough... u need also other skills, but that too complicated prolly... Atleast that how i feel playing archer... 5 skill without criting are not reuse and lot of time i stay since im not used to other skills :/ But maybe u jsut click ur click slower, that why it seems for u its ok.

 

Clicking the important skills (no matter slow or fast) sounds like we speak for the real deal in l2 of year 2017.

 

Bullseye is my number one priority anyone who played with me when i'm on dd knows i'm calling everysingle debuff window , on that fraps it was special conditions due to like i said testing trickster. This guy is without a doubt if not the best, one of the best archer players that are frapsing right now. Can you please count how many times he used tornado shot?

 

Your argument about vllm is invalid as well, he was using stun shot which is strictly worse than oed tornado shot, I guess he had that spot reserved for oly and was comfortable to keep it that way.

 

and im tired of saying its wrong if u play on max skill cast speed. Either my skills have bad reuse or you r partly wrong

None denies that Tornado shot is "weak". But your maths just doesnt apply to ingame situations. Btw this starco is ok but on other frapses he plays like a bot

also that guy is on wizard. I lately play on wizard myself but the fraps u refer to i didnt, hence 20% more reuse on skills

 

He used 0 other skills also. What exactly make him best archer at the moment, items or?

Here is example of AMC, semifinal. TeddyBears won whole tourney, for example ARena Team eliminated PVP A in 1/4 final.


Captain of winning team Silent is using more than 2 skills and he do always something... And here u cannot use arguments like why to use bulseye or tornado when u can 2 shot all people with pinpoint and quickshot etc... Of course in your video prolly is enough, because i see Party survived 30 s after party Udies and he was hitting them for 50k+ without any boost and debuff... so yeah like that prolly pinpoint and if it crit target is dead is more than enough.

 

Rewatch your video, you'll get surprised what you were doing.

 

best archer picking macro targets with mouse while his nostromo spamming skills , bit4 plz
btw logy this fraps is totaly another meta, about how u play it depends what gear u have and who u fight... also if on skill or not

 

This. It is quite easy to setup nostromo for archer attack skills but its super boring to play like that. And hey idk how you play mitsa but I barely press a key once for each skill. I never face roll like others do. Never did on healer oly or class based (had strict skill orders) nor on archer (which im still learning)

 

And Aboriginal and others... first i got confused, bcs i thought 10 49 is 10 49, but its 22 49 my time. So as i said above and u jsut confimed it with this 20 55 +- u left and went to gainak even untagged. 20 00 we started meeting and after meeting we made all necassary steps towards U.

As about Aden, not like when ur force was in our clan we won some stones and for sure we will try to do something in Aden, same as we try to do something every siege.
And about U and going to Aden, its obvious u will not show up there, isnt it?

 

About the archer discussion, what you guys seems not to understand is what Mitsa said and Assazhi summed up really well, different scenarios + different builds = different skill rotations in archer, and believe it or not what Mitsa said about tornado shot not being used in rotations almost at all is totally correct, you just need to go and test it yourself (again, depends on the build you have, if your build is different it might end up being different result), but I got a build close to the one he was using as result was mostly same.

And about TH vs HB, maybe you were not winning any pvp stone castle but that has nothing to do with your people, but your clan system / mass pvp system, just remember the time you were either not here playing or a bit more away from leadership and Ultimated took the lead for some time, you recruited a lot of what you call useless people, but you were able to win mass pvp's vs us, anakim/lilith/baium/aq you were getting 100% of them, some dragons also and at some point you had more heroes in clan than right now and even got your chance few times of getting pvp weapon stone castle. This is something I always discussed with sh1ny because I thought same like you a lot of times about a lot of things but at some point he was right, you cannot get things like we're doing w/o those ppl doesn't matter how much they bring to clan compared to you.

For sure those ''useless'' ppl you call are less usefull than any of your core CP's in TH, it's always like that, core pt's in any clan can carry and carry harder, takes more care than anyone else and plays more and should get rewarded more, but by calling everyone else and even splitting your clan into 2 different clans is not going to help you at all, it's like the time a bit before we broke up clan and you said to sh1ny that you're clan was all about 5-6 top cp's and rest of useless cp's didn't deserve any item because they were useless, just check where those pt's getting all of those items are not (Skizzik CP not playing anymore, Golden CP only 3 ppl playing now even tho Sprtcs is rly inactive imo, Karmen CP quitted, Your CP from those times disbanded, and so on), idk the times Ultimated had the leadership and got to like 100-120 active people daily were the days it was the hardest for us, that's for sure, and those ''useless' people were doing something, since now you don't have them and you can't do anything besides farming uncontested things or getting some lindviors by clicking first

 

which clan was leading ulti with 100-120 ppl active ? Blackswans ?

 

Rio trying to learn things to vlm. We would have seen all.

 

what mitsa said applies mostly only on wiz. none denies low skill power on tornado shot, but mitsa is taking it to ridiculous heights

 

On wizard for sure it's not worth using it, for warrior I can't say since I don't like warrior harmony for archer even tho I know I'm doing it wronly

 

If you don't get skill mastery even with wizard, wind scroll and rapid fire stance you can cast bulls eye, pinpoint, quickshot, tornado shot, multiple arrow, heavy arrow rain before any of those skills being reused. Of course you can decide to skip tornado shot and say pinpoint and quickshot does the most single target damage and when you aoe multiple arrow and heavy arrow rain does 99% of the aoe damage, but in the cases your target is left with 5k hp you made the wrong decision just because you are lazy or your fingers are tired.
Phoenix arrow goes first since it casts slow, does good damage and healers will have less time to recover the party from it.
I'm totally fine by you being stubborn and leaving me alive with 5k HP though, don't misunderstand me. Not to mention if more dds use as much skills before pps/qs is ready it adds up really well.
If vllm doesn't want to analyze his own plays to improve is also fine by me(though he's not playing anymore).

 

It's fine for me, you can keep using w/e rotation you like but I keep telling you it's wrong 100%. First you need to understand that LE and DE are 2 different toons, with DE you have most likely 1 out of 3 or max 4 skills reused on cd (insta reuse), and asumming you do that skill rotation starting from phoenix arrow(cuz it has too much cd ???) and doing all those skills, you're losing a lot of time, I prefer to do a 4 seconds rotation to have way more DPS but again, up to you.

Count also that no one plays with CD stance and usually at least for organized mass pvps / sieges / dragons people use eva+windy not only windy which makes it so much different

 

There is no need for all these mental gymnastics , both sides need to accept that sometimes your teammates will say or do stupid ****.