Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

You're welcome

 

don't pull it out of context like a *****. still waiting for your "pro" sieges fraps to see how amazing bullseye is on full skill spam.

 

Well you weren't around when it happened , and I never got kicked from EN. I got kicked from TH because I was caring about the server situation and complaining that we , the winning side , were recruiting more people while winning.

Everyone wants to keep winning , I agree , but there is difference between going to a fight without knowing if you gonna win or not , and going to a fight already won before the match even started.

 

i agree what en does sux

 

I usually do fraps 1-2 Siege pvps but as Leader I often am just camping some castle or crest room, so you need to wait for EN to do 7v7 or daily pvp.

 

Hax didn't say, that he is doing this all time and perfect, but he is trying with many success cuz it's very important, not useless like you said...

 

These contradictions tho.

eshonai cp and obli cp get kicked:
"EN keeps item for himself so he kicks cp out of clan"
bblqq doesnt get acept, only blackday cp:
"EN keeps item for himself so he doesnt acept cp in clan"

final conclusion:
"EN overrecruits and zergs while winning"


What? So kicking CPs and not accepting CPs is overrecruiting?


******* claps

 

Eshonai cp got kicked from TH also, and Selenia didn't join as new cp, but merge with my group, so please. Also we have one BR group which is in the clan on a bit diffrent terms, than other cp. So basicly we have 11 now. EN had more. While we have 10, they had 12 or like some1 said even 15 at some time.

Also about not accepting cp. Haha please dream more, we didn't join EN mostly because i didn't wanted join and convince most of bbl group to give a chance for Hax as new leader. They kick Eshonai and obli, because were not so active and wanted to repleace them with bblQQ and BlackDay.

Kenga on that times was too arogant, thats why lose everythink. He kick Esho, but didn't predict, that Esho and bblQQ can join TH. On that moment also Henerik CP joined. ILethal wanted to play on pvp with me and bbl, but we didn't had slot for more dd, so he join Smejo, and with all those people TH becomes in short time much stronger than was before. Then Feoh update and libra. TH had more natural Feoh, people which are playing this class even before they become OP so naturaly with good leading on mass pvp and all that changes with less number we could manage victory. So once again if you know nothing, then don't comment.

 

L2 store boy and verb in same cp? lol now clear from who he learned this bla bla all day long in hv ^^

 

Calling people narrow minded when you actually did not even read or understand what I said...Holy **** you're delusional.

I will emphasize the key words in my text: situational and short engagements.

Where did I talk about prolonged mass pvp fights?

You either that stupid or that arrogant to not even understand what people say to you.

And trust me, you are not that good to use advantage of ALL 0.5s skills, no matter how delusional you are.

P.s. bullsye CD does not go down by 2 s, go read how cooldowns work, since you have no ******* idea

 

Do you really compare ppl from VV with selenia/bblqq cp/avogardo/eshonai cp or any ppl that joined TH?
P.S. Overecruiting is when you cry all day for no PVP , how easy and boring sieges are,no competition at oly, free raids and then proceed to recruit most stacked cp's (not 1 ...) that are not in your main enemy clan.

 

15 CP was when you had Ulti Karmen yours bbl's CPs still , so you had similar number. About feohs , you had only one aka Jik. Rio rerolled , IronV as well. The rest wasn't relevant.

 

Jik, Rio and Iron are reason of it.

As i said years ago, imagine Rio with 101 skill back in time. This my sentence is most true sentence in l2 ever. Of course u need to adapt her to current situation, because now 101 skill doesn't matter, but i guess all got point of it.

Even if people consider all stacked people as handless donors, in real pvp, hands matters most.
Its important to have strongest gun in your clan, but it's more important to have it in right hands.

Top players must always play top chars by design and top stacked chars.

It was hard and expensive to make top stacked archers back in time, so results were like it was. Plus 10 bow and ruby 4. Immediately after Libra it changed to plus 13 caster and sapphire 6. With Iron and Jik similar. Whole mass pvp changed from day to day...

 

Rio wasn't top player on his archer. I'm not saying it because I was in the ennemy side , basically when I was in his party for one siege , he showed me what I was thinking. So prolly your sentence is right for this period , but it wasn't back in the day.

But I'm just answering to what Naito said tbh.

 

he wasnt top because he had ruby 4 and bow +10 Even with this items he was 1 from targets enemies focused as priority... so it kind answers everything...

Every chronicle brings new "top" chars. U are either good or bad. U have impact or u dont. No other options exist. Its necessary for top players to re roll every time developers change game machanics in order to stay competitive...

 

Well when you are stacked so much more than your opponents you get away easy with your mistakes, so in this case no, you don't really have to be good. But put everything on similar terms and thats where you have to pull yourself up together, but to be honest, feohs ****** up balance completely anyways..so this is not even the case now.

 

Ok, so to again make it extremely simple for you:

I have all items possible ingame, I have tested it against toons with all items possible ingame:

Warrior does less dmg w/o Rhaposdy/Brooch.
On Rhapsody Brooch I 2hit anything even without a harmony.
Bullseye CD goes down nearly 2 seconds. I know very well how CD stacking works.
If I am clueless about my class, then you can say that 99.9% of the server doesn't know a damn thing about archers.
I very well also read what you said: There is NO situation except 1v1 where u try to 1hit the enemy knowing that he won't defend himself, in which Warrior outperforms Wizard lvl2.
Short engagements as well.

Your believe is deprived from your own low end-gear experience. I am speaking from a point, where my damage without warrior is so high, that I will kill any random target even without any harmony.

The logic behind it, is not basing it on situation. It is basing it on overall facts ingame. The 100 Attribute Attack do more % damage than the 22% P.Atk. The Atk speed is not needed because 0siris has old skills and I have quick fire (which again on Wizard is perma up, on Warrior not).

The ONE and ONLY situation where Warrior does more damage (and with more I mean 5-10% more) is when you have Rhapsody and Brooch up. But even in that situation, on a stacked char like mine and 0siris, it is WORSE, because you wanna kill as many targets as possible on skills (even during short engagement with less than 20 seconds fighting). You wanna drop 2 Healers, not 1. You wanna drop 3 dds, not 1. You wanna wipe the whole pt, GL with that if you dont skill crit your CD like 5x or more.

And all I've written above doesn't apply to you, with random gear, but applies to me and 0siris, who fight with a lot of gear.

 

U can keep thinking this
Its really big difference if proper player playing proper character.

 

Even if difference exists still now between hands and no hands ("really big difference" is such a lie nowadays...), as long as there is "aoe one shot mechanic" the gameplay is **** up.
You cannot react, you can't respond to an instant one shot (we're not talking about 30sec cast skill here, l2 has 1 sec cd os potential now...), there isn't either any skill involved in "one shotting" someone.
Is there still a difference between a good player and a potatoe ? Yes.
Is there a difference between an average player and a top one ? Not anymore, considering same pixels.

Edit : Troy no hands !