Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

Because archer even not being played good back then could be deadly, I played once V77 and got macroed just because I was on archer. Simple as ****. I agree with the needs of rerolling sometimes, but there are some people that would have more impact staying on their class even if the class isn't the best. The best example is Jik. He was more efficient on his feoh than on archer , I think you agreed more than once back then on TS. At one point I can only agree with Luciano , gear now can bring handless people to get macroed just because those who are way more skilled just can't follow the amount of donation made by those people , one of this example is Surprised , even if he was really good at farming stuff in order to stay competitive !

 

I believe there is. Hax actually described it above, not exactly meant to this case, but its absolutely true. Good player doing everything 1 seconds faster than average player. If u count 10-15 skill combos per minute, if he earn 10-15 seconds comparing to its 3-4 more different targets to hit. Not even speaking about taking proper targets and i m pretty sure i was still in favor of average player, because i think difference in picking new targets and realising some target has cele or so its bigger than 1s. Depends what we consider average player.

Lets say mass PVP is about 3-4 minutes where u can do something usually. During this time ... second to second, target to target... its very big difference....

If all this would be right, people like Seleniia, TheTruth, bblQQ, Notbrah are killing machines, but they are simply not. There are other people who have more impact... Just because they are better players...

 

And this is where you didn't get my point Logy : picking good target is no longer (that) relevant. Because of what I called "aoe one shot mechanic".
Doesn't matter the targets, actually picking one who cannot die and is on cele in the middle of the mass could be best gameplay (yes I do find this ******ed, but this is true nowadays). Imagine an archer skills poped, on flat land, with a tank target on undying in the very middle, and 5 or 10 instant reuse on multiple arrow. Doesn't even have to even think about picking a target. ******ed play and yet, could be genius play with nowadays standards. Simple slaughter.
And now, let me just illustrate my previous post :
Is Selenia handless and not a threat ? Yes. Here is the potatoe.
Is Lethal bad player ? I don't think so.
Is he top player ? Definetly not.
Does Lethal have same impact as Rio on mass PvP ? 100% yes imho, considering both or none have dragon weapons.
Do I need to ask for the skill difference between those ?

 

U are very wrong. Picking good target is after GoD more important than ever. And on this chronicles with ultimate damages and basically infinite recovery skills its even more important to kill and it mean definitely kill proper targets.

What u described is imototally wrong. Honestly it doesnt even matter if u gonna kill 10 "people" near some tank... they gonna ress and they are up again. U need to pick targets properly and not target some bots and do AOE

 

Logy please...

Please Logy...
You didn't even try to read what I wrote... Meh whatever, what to do when half of your post is just "you very wrong" lol

 

This isnt casual PvP Its RGs.... and none even touched him or tried to touch him... so here u see difference. Bring Avabot now to server and after 15 seconds ho gonna lie on ground for 3 minutes because people like Rio, Iron, Hax gonna take care of him...

 

FeelsAllabMan.
So, I just took one of last Rio frapses. This won't take long :

Let me just take notes for first 30 secs. Doesn't need more ! Look. Here are Rio's targets, in order of appearance :

- None (Meteor loul, what target do you need to take for this ? eheheheh, 0 ! what was it already ? ah YES ! "aoe oneshot mechanics")
- glaedr (priority target for sure !)
- LaAhad (well, probably not that bad, but still ?)
- NotBrah (yayyyyyy, finally ! oh wait, lost target in a second)
- Wunderwaffe (priori... ok I stop this...)
- Lacey (I don't think she's such a danger, is she ? Honnestly I don't know, no actual experience)
- glaedr
- Adich (probably a "good one")
- LaAhad
- Sasha
- FaelynFaeryDaey

meanwhile NotBrah all the time in melee range, and I guess Randalthor could also be a threat [troll]together with Illusion and Holytoast for a potentially deadly assist damage oh wait, noone assist anymore [/troll]

Next engagement 0:48 :

- None (yayyyyyyy, Meteor again o/)
- JetWave
- Chuna (not under aggro, picked target)
- glaedr
- Wunderwaffe
- Kabuto
- and finally Kengaa
- but leaving it fast for LaAhad
- then JetWave
- Kabuto

and so on...
#PriorityTargets.

So please, Logy, please...

 

i dont agree with anyone but leckter how u know which is rio job on siege to be sure if he does it correct ?

 

Here is the point Iron, I never judged about correct or not.
I just said that nowadays, picking an undying tank in the middle can be somehow efficient, for aoe purposes, because of those so called "aoe one shot mechanics".
This making the good player (knowing what targets should be #1 priority, and how to shut them down quick), and the average player (gets aggroed but can still roll his head on the keyboard), with the same outcome (enemy CC wiped).

I don't know, read, I already wrote all this before.

Again, I'm not judging on gameplay, but on the game mechanics. You can't anymore see on a single fraps if the dude got a lucky target and spammed like a ***** or picked the target on purpose for maximum damage output and inpact (difference between Rio and Lethal).

Edit : And well, the role of an archmage with valakas caster is pretty natural lol

 

Game mechanics went ******ed after Yul boost tbh. And it went further with the time and updates.

 

Fack I do agree with Anxxi... I'm out !

 

at first fight... it wasnt really some mass PVP, i guess EN forces splitted and major time was target on Adich... mby Notbrah was even on defensive skills, from fraps we dont see... and none of those people is big threat as i said above...

2nd fight.... we dont know again how was defensive skills of Kengaa PT.... we see Rio target only when he is without defensive skills... ( i guess it was called by his CP members that this PT is vulnerable at moment he picked him.... ) later party run away from PVP.... orders were prolly to not chase them...

Targeting Chuna was maybe attempt to bust their Noble Sacrifice if he is still in Kengaa PT... hard to say

anyway, every clan using different strategies, u can keep picking bots for AOE to make frags, maybe its even better I dont know...

just people were curios here why TH started winning after Libra... my explanation is that when proper character is played by proper people and thats reason why Libra changed mass PVP from day to day.... propably u have different opinion

 

It's only about gear , because Libra didn't make you win , you recruited people like iLethal, bbl in that exact time

 

I remember i was killing ilethal at HB when he was nakedforce... i think he joined later...

about bblQQ CP i dont know, propably they joined before libra... but they are like bandwaggoning socks... u change them every day... but its not so big impact... and why i explained u in topic above... Major impact is from people with proper equipment and proper gameplay...

bblQQ Pt became somehow proper after they got Tiruz... but still 1 person in PT cannot do so much... currently i odnt even know who is there or not... i saw Naito has own CP etc etc, as i said.. like socks Its hard for their PT to play together, seems they have no luck to play together and active for more than month... Its decreasin gameplay a lot...

 

Thank you Logy

Different and not so different. But here it's really subjective, you can't really put any facts to argue on this.
Anyway, for what it matters, I do agree that proper char driven is important, but the main reason TH started to win imho is just that TH have or had more key targets. While TH have to deal with Kobey, Truth and NotBrah, EN has to deal with Rio, Jik, Scamminator (all in one group, performs always better than 3 in 3 different groups), Ztifler, Lethal, bbl, etc (No Iron, you're not in the list, gneheheheh). Not establishing an accurate list here, just illustrating the principle. Also overall more and better feohs in a shiny update for them. + dragon casters later.

I would also bring a special mention to the overall fighting spririt. I have the feeling (personnal, don't quote me on that) that there are more people just willing to get some PvP for fun in TH, while EN shines more as "win at all cost or don't fight". Again, this is really subjective as I never really experienced EN from the inside.

 

in lethal case, only gear make him good. with his gear any archer can be OP. also he should be thankful for current update when iss enchanters cancel only sonatas. before salvation was easy to counter those nagibators when 4-5 enchanters target him and cancel at once (actually hard task, but possible), and now when only sonatas can be canceled iss become just annoying box. just wondering or someone used this tactic. at least when we was bored with cp we make party of 7 iss, go to parna, pick 1 target, 3-2-1 in ts and cancel..

also you forget ramona factor, when many of en quit here, and started play there.

 

For what I've seen , it's almost the same. I've seen CPs willing to pvp no matter what in both clans. And I saw also both clans as ennemies , hiding all over the map and PR on sight. So imo , the overall fighting is the same. People really looking for funny pvp are long time gone for me. Most of them were already gone when I joined the server actually.

 

But u can check switching targets after celestials or immune, try focus on that on Rio fraps and check switching targets... and btw im not saying he is perfect, none is, only bot But u need to compare this to others... and u will see... seconds to seconds...

Simply there is no way in this game, skill of player wont matter. As i said, there is no way its so easy as u think if u have items. If it should be true, much more people gonna be factors and they are not.

And im not speaking about times when Iron or Rio got dragon weapons
Im speaking about Libra where they had Tranks, 0siris, Randalthor, Seleniia, KobeYB, NotBrah, etc etc.... so do not speak about 3 targets

Before Libra we couldnt able to drop Kengaa PT. It took like 2-3 minutes for 3-4 top parties. After Libra, they became easy targets and dropable by any PT with Rio, Hax or Iron or Ztifler. Thats how it is. U can keep dreaming about aoe on tanks with undying... im not taking it from U, but im telling U how it was... and its not subjective... its pretty objective that Kengaa PT started to die like flies after Iron and Rio became characters with lv 6 jewels and +13 weapons...

 

There was never intention to invite bblqq, why are you lying? they didn't even hit back with WAR ON on heartbreakers when we hit them, why is that? they hit TH but not EN? coz their intent was to join to TH the next day? They ask US TO STOP PVPING THEM WITH WAR TAG ON and turn on THEHORDE.

seriously, you gonna say again EN zerg while winning by losing CPs? Don't come again with " kenga doesnt inv and kick to keep items" but then say HE OVERRECRUITS?!

WHAT?!?

I aint even arguing who overrecruit, i could care less if TH overrecruit or EN anymore cause everything goes at this point, right? (invite selenia after his hard flame and insults, his fraps mocking your clan, your "friends", who cares anyway? you obviously don't and hey i dont jump with joy when enemy joins my clan either who was hard trashing me in past much LESS TAKE THEM ON MY CP lmao) But coming up with arguing for the sake of arguing with full of contradictions, makes no sense.


Why even bother talking about this ****, if u don't care who you invite or the fact that you complain about things that you do or your clan does or everyone does for that matter. evilnation is no ******* saint, but you gonna tell me thehorde is and needs to be defended? the **** you arguing about?

You know what nobody mentions about ilethal? his supports, but never mention his iss or his healer but why not? ilethal is the one who needs to have his *** throughly washed with a tongue to keep up clan spirit. Because if he doesn't die, it's ilethal's credit, not the healer. Smejo carries the dude so hard but i never seen ANYONE bragging about him at all.

 

Christmas miracle i agree with logy , praise the ******* lord. If your CP keeps with replaces /breaking up every 2-3months coz of little ****s like gear, drama, atitude, this CP is just a time bomb and you can't invest on it, unreliable as ****. Even with low gear you can be reliable with good atitude and consistent activity. KEY WORD: CONSISTENT, not full 24/7 active