Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

the sad part of that is that atm on this game , 1 guy with all posible items will receive more attention that some other ppl that can be much more regular but have less gear.
but thats how work the game , too much pro players around

 

I see a lot of words being thrown around in this topic last few posts, and a lot of bla-bla about just AoE with full geared character to win, and more bull' every post.

Are you people SURE you know how to play this game, and how this game is being played right now ? Or you're just speaking from the benches as usual ? The meta shifts every couple of months and with every L2store event and game update.

Adapt, learn to play against everything that comes your way, improve, git gud, or go cry in a corner. Jeezas...


#worstserverever #whereistheresetbutton

 

anxxi ask ur ex cpl why he dont port blackbird anymore ?

 

Okay so @Leckter first of all call me scamminator once more and i make sure sublimity goes dark castle!!!!

In the end it's not so hard tbh:

Skill DOES matter. More than some ppl believe to think. Picking priority targets is one thing. But you have to also see the other side of it: Do you wanna run into enemies to get targets like Fro or Illusion or Kobey? No you dont because maybe you yourself wont carpet, but your party would. Rio does make mistakes but most of the time he's on point and surely better than most other ppl.

What makes a good player to me? In this game there is so much more than just mass pvp. Olympiad defines skill a lot more than mass pvp where you can rely on your clan and other aspects. 7v7 actually shows how good individuals play a lot better. A good player is made by the amount of situation he can find a good response to. Anyone can aoe kill ppl without pressure (aka avabot on multiskill bugging) but not any1 can do it with pressure etc etc. Mass PvP has so many key aspects as to how to win, thats it's not just "take care of key targets and keep them down". Listing targets like you did is wrong Leckter. How the hell do you even know where rest of EN are or which party is on who (btw. rio pt is assigned to brobrah pt) and what defensive skills for eg. notbrah pt has up (lvl3 lvl4 brooch or pt ud?)?
I will not elaborate as to why EN is losing, but they will figure it out themselves.

So I do agree with you (Leckter) to some degree, but a good player is not only defined by mass pvp and on what you see, but by what he says to organize the pt, knows about the game and can always find a solution.

 

I do not argue here whether Rio, Iron hax or Ztifare good or not, but you gotta admit that feohs/libra (about 600-750k damage now to kill feoh vs. up to 150k to kill yul) + gear + ppl number played the most part in you winning over EN. And that is fine and nobody is blaming anything, but when you put all the glory on 4-5 people out of 70 and skill its pretty ******* stupid.

 

we do have archer with my gear don't we? thetruth, adich, 0siris, brah, kobey

my gear makes me good. some of these ppl aren't even good with those gears.

and talk about/compare the rest of our pt's set up and gears, unless you think group pvp is all about 1 op dd carrying everyone. here's rest of my cp's set up: all lvl 4 brooches, NO POW NO MI, healers pvp set incomplete, no 3rd sa no obsidian augment... i'm on full skills and my pt down, no cele no purge, all snare and stun (from my ultimate fan girl lacey) and silence and pull. you kidding me? pull out a pt with similar pt gear set up, lets go 7v7.

whether good or bad, I cant take all credit. if you wanna use me as a bad example, as least be comprehensive and convincible

but I don't care anyways.

p2w. eat it with a soup ladle, till one day allab's flame count as pvp dmg

 

haha this one was really good made my morning more than coffee

 

EN is now exactly in the same situation as TH was 1-1,5 years ago, would be fun to compare these posts to those back then, i'm sure switching names and copy pasting would fit in the discussion Back then EN was the most attractive side, had seemingly better organisation, and they were outgearing and outnumbering TH who had to recruit low geared people from nakedforce etc. Now it's the opposite.

About the skill of the players, it certainly matter at some point, though i don't think we can say it's the main factor as to who is winning. But then again, was it ever the case ?

 

Thank you, at least someone gets the point... EN was/did the same and TH was *****ing on forums about numbers and gear. The funny part is TH loosing - its EN's fault because gear/numbers, TH winning - its EN's fault because they ****/cant get people.

 

It's the circle of l2 !

 

exactly thats what i said here or some other topic... both clan do or did the same things (can be good or bad, whatever), but some ppl are lets say, fanatic about one side, and they cant accept The Truth (such a top pun)
nice to see, that some ppl around got this anyway.

 

@Hax and scamminator : trigger successful
Never said skill doesn't matter, but yet, it now plays a really minor % of the outcome.
About the target listing, it was a direct response to logy with his narrow minded "you have to pick target now more than ever". I just showed that this was not true, and that was situationnal the same way you told it.
The only shade I have is nothing new : I don't care about Oly because of its very basic design (why the hell would I care about 1v1 in a massive multiplayer game). But it's personnal opinion.

I also like to believe I know a lot about teamplaying, organizing pt, and finding solutions depending on situation. I guess those who played with me know it (am I wrong here ?).
But let me phrase a different way my point in all this from start : while giving aoe damage is good as adding another layer to positionning gameplay (if you stack too much you're dead by aoe, but if you spread you're dead for being picked one by one without recovery ppssible), "aoe one shot mechanics" kills 80% of gameplay because it's a no brainer.
Another way of saying it : imho, you shouldn't be rewarded for picking a **** target and aoe on it, be it done on purpose or not. And that's exactly what happens with all those so powerful aoes.

Is it clear now ?

 

So let´s compare lets say Interlude and current chronicle. At Interlude if u were totally boosted char with "dragon " weapon... it wasnt so important to eliminate u as fast as it is now. At Interlude or those older chronicles were "positional" killing propably more effective than disabling best enemies from the fight. Now with those "positional" killing, aka targeting some place where a lot of people is u not gonna do something, because they just gonna ress U and u will be dead by someone who will just smash and u not gonna recover. After GoD it doesnt really matter if u kill meatshield, more important is to pick and disable that strongest targets...
This is my personal experience from playing here 5 years. If we were not able to drop Kengaa PT in some appropiate time, that PVP was lost. After Libra when we got damage on our top parties and Kengaa PT started to die like normal people, that PVP became really easy...
Simply Im 101% sure that killing important targets in PVP is now more important than ever was.

 

This does not compute...Prioritizing targets was always important, is it more so now? Maybe. And comment about Kenga does not add any argument, you're just saying you are stronger and able to kill him faster. In my opinion the most important part is to effectively switch between priority targets, as even 5-10 seconds with 1 dead healer can give you a huge advantage.

 

Olympiad , mass pvp and 7v7 are totally different , skill involved in all of them are quite different. Key target must be a priority because they are harder to kill and they are pressuring more , but it's a mistake to commit in order to do it. So no , killing important target isn't more important than it ever was , it's just the gameplay and the gap between players from one top player and one average player both in the same clan increased a lot due to the problem of population.

In the past , clans had the luxury to ask for minimum gear requirements , now , if you need people you have to lower those requirements because there is less players , and so on , those requirements doesn't give you the capacity to survive or even scratch the top CPs of the opposite clan.

For me the term of meatshield came into the game just because general population decreased a lot. If you all have similar gear , who should be the meatshield ? Noone , you just have frontlines and backlines

 

Logy logy logy...
What's important is to put pressure on those targets, to minimize the damage you receive. That's basics. Then, you do that by direct CC, kill, or wipe the rest of his group.
Before you HAD to target and assist every single main targets. Now you can either disable or kill or both without even targetting (hello snare, hello phoenix arrow and multiple arrow, hello feoh aoes).

Ffs Logy, don't you remember how important snares were at god start or even later and how much you spammed it yourself on ts ? ("More snares guys, MOAR SNARES").

 

I strongly doubt that u can kill stacked groups with just AOE skills at regular terms. U can kill RGs or VV or so... but atm is Ztifler CP most stacked, doubt they gonna die from phoenix arrows and feoh aoes.

 

FeelsAllabMan

 

in my group we barely die in pvp/siege i personaly kinda never die and the ppl that die are those who make some position mistake and all of that come from good leading is not everything gear ,gear makes u strong not immortal, so leckter what u saying is not true coz ok we are stacked but enemy have a lot of stacked dds mb not dragon weap but is the same situation for us the last 6-7months ,anw i dont wana show off but i think i just did.