No you didn't. The only chance is to get a break from pvp. Sign a pact between EN TH, made an alliance, share all end game content, stop invite new cp to clan and stop participate in any store event until they change the policy. This is the only way to change something, but this require your will and Hax. If we dont need to fight each ohter it means we dont need to spend any euro for this broken game. For the slacking time we can go other game and create one of best guild, game with normal donation system. Simple. There is now new amazing game full open world, full sandbox. Cant say the name
why do you think Innova cares about what we do with ingame raids xD They will care if they stop making money, not if u share ur rice with enemy
Yes thats the idea, if we share boss, we dont need to pvp, if we dont need to fight each other, we dont need spend any euro for new op items. So that way they will feel lack of incomings. Just imagine, now they are dictate the terms, how the game works. In new situation we will dominate fully this game and we will take the controll on server about every aspect of the game. They can do theiers event, we will participate if we decide we want, they will not force to do it. Now they are using us TH to force EN to donate, and the same with us, they using EN to force TH and like this we just push yourself to keep going more and more. So at the end most of incomming is thanks to our two clans, cuz people donate like crazy. They do not care now about the random people, which donate really not much, because they have enough from us. If we stop feed them, because we will take all from game izi without any problem, they will focus on randoms, they will try take euro from them also, but for that need to change prices. So finally we will achieve the normal prices also for us.
Well to be honest , what can hax o mitsa do? For example , i dont have 5 years old and if i want waste my money i will waste it and i dont care who is my leader in one game . You can try make ppl act like you and try push innova but we all know thats wont work , innova company as politics as anyone with work will try to make all benefits that they can. The only wrong here are us , the people who think innova is scaming them but they come and waste more , some ppl just need go to the doctor and is not innova fault.
I knew you are not very smart from the beginning of ur posts, and i even told you to keep it quiet, for ur own sake. I'm just gonna reply, to stop ur dumb propaganda. - 1 : You will never understand how these things work,and you will never take control of anything, since innova are the one's providing the tools to play the game. How can you expect, in ur own little brain, for someone to keep his end of the " deal " ? If 5% of the people from the server will decide to stop buying these things,let's say 10% will decide that,that means those 5 or 10% are the suckers, because they are behind with items,hence sayha talismans and they will realise that,sooner or later,and they will rush to buy the packs and nothing was achieved in this entire scenario. - 2 : They are not using anyone to do anything,you are just a bit paranoid. Ur brain capacity is now high enough to receive the correct information, to asimilate and process. In the end, it's not gonna change anything,and for a change to be substantial, you have to deny a lot of good stuff from the top players,and for that to happen,you have to hope they will keep their end of the " deal ", once more. No, they won't focus on randoms,because randoms are not having complete authonomy of the server, which is split more or less between EN and TH. - 3 : Ur plan might have had a good chance to succeed, with 80% of modifications in the text,and a proper person to represent the respective idea,but no one is gonna take these risks,and no one is gonna take them furthermore. PS: I gave you a thoroughly explanation,so you can be quiet in the future.
You wanted be smart, insulted me, but all you did its show your stupidity. Innova is not providing the tools to play the game. Developers from Korea are doing this, so yeah you are so smart, but failed at the start
I presume there are still some people which do not donate past some tenners a month, so, I hope I can express my (our) feelings about how this was handled: 1. Regarding the price too high issue, I agree that anything past 2x the prices in russia is too high. Most players are from eastern europe where income is not 2x russian income. 4x is a shame. 2. regarding the decision to bundle nontradeable tarrots, I think I do not have words to qualify it it, it is probably the best I and people like me could have hoped after years of lagging more and more behind. This needs longer explaining, please bear with me. They changed tarots now, so this can be considered a promo on that and it can work that way; The people get tons of tarots they cannot trade so have to play them yielding tons of ebayer items they have no need for and sell at increasingly discounted prices. This lowers the prices on the server and even poor people can get decent pve gear. As usual, we saved some tens of billions for l2store event and can now buy cheap wyrm abundance and many other things which were very hard to get before. The whole server gets better gear and can go out and explore new areas and instances which were locked for them, leading to higher level pace and more content available to them. Does this even cost more? NO, those tarots were given as an extra int he bundle, if you do not need them, buy the fiver packs. It is rare for me to come out so enthusiastically in support of a decision, it only happened when gms in ncwest organized random events to drop vita potions allowing people which were not perma afk botting to level faster a bit. Now, the question is if they anticipated the effects and really meant that, if they did, then i bow to them and say thank you from all my heart. We may not be able to get level 10 talismans like the top ebayers, but from their crumbs we can build a pretty strong pve char if not more, help our clanies even to increase and keep server population, we will be able to solo atelia, for example, like any other ebayer, and they will still hold the huge pvp advantage over us, so, who lost what?
Well, well. Im not gonna answer to each quote separately, but will answer it at once. First at all, we need to understand 1 thing. Innova need this community same as we need Innova. This is fact and it cannot be denied. If people think, Innova is some 5 friends with 1 server, they are wrong. Innova is casual company making business in gaming industrie. So they need to pay their employees, bills, rent and everything like casual companies as we know them. Its obvious, owners wanna make also profit. If someone doesn't understand this basic fact, please stop reading my answer, i just gonna make u mad and angry As i mentioned above, Innova has lot of employees and everybody from them is responsible for different tasks. They have also employee who is responsible for collecting feedback from players and who was hired to be middleman between players and Innova. Her name is @CM Fragola Community has also some people who are responsible to be something like middleman, but hired by players. Don't take this literally please. Usually that people are leaders of strongest and biggest clans. Its most logical option. Innova and community has their own opinion how should server evolve. Most important word is BALANCE. There must be balance between both sides, because as i said at start, they cannot run servers without players and players cannot play without servers. So both sides trying to push their agenda and trying to find some balance between it. And now i will go to analyse of what happened today and what it mean for us. I strongly believe today Innova, community and everybody else understood, that Innova took upper hand over community. In my opinion it wasnt even intention from their side, but it was clearly, because of decisions made today and sadly that decisions were made without thinking and in rage and madness. Boycotting something is most powerful tool u can use in any negotations. I cant imagine u can use some stronger argument than 'ok we not buying this untill u fix it'. But when u doing so, u need to stand your words. It should be like statement. Because now, even if we dont admit it openly, trust of community towards leaders is much weaker. It might be hard to boycott anything in future. Players know it and also Innova aint so stupid and they know it also. So now Innova can push slightly more. Of course they still need players so there will be limits, but at the moment community isnt united in this questions and thats not good sign. This whole situation could be held much better without boycotting anything, and if leaders decided to boycott already, they should stand their words. If people think this council aint serious and u have 0 chance to change something, i think u are wrong. I was there from start untill like september 2017 and i think u can change atleast something. Of course as i said at start, BALANCE. I can't expect everything for 1 Euro and u need to understand business model of free 2 play mmorpgs. I can tell u few examples, what was my agenda in that council. I was pushing mainly to make events, which will make adena as currency more valuable. I was pushing also to make discounts on tarots and brooches, so it would bring more items and they would become cheaper. We got discounts, we also got different version of fishing event which wasnt generating so much items sellable at shops and generating new adenas and making it less valuable. I actually dont know if it was also because of my arguments, but we got it, so i kinda felt its quite working and GM team listening to players, but again, BALANCE. I didnt asked for free items, just asked for cheaper items so less stacked people can catch up with items. So i believe there is possibility to change atleast something. As Syra mentioned, i dont know if Mitso or Hax can do something, but if not them, than who else can? Leaders of biggest clans can do in game a lot. In theory if they wanted they could do easily this Riot. Because if few persons quits, its normal. There are some newcomers, some people leaves. But u still keep some community of people. Some Core of people still exists and its made mainly from members of big clans. This community was never really united, but today it splitted even more. Many people were disappointed, many of them will be mad. Today wasnt good day for players. They got false hope and fall on ground even harder. And lets be honest, from all l2store op items they were introducing, this one isnt in the end even so bad like others. In last months market was going good. Adena had day by day bigger value, prices of items were going down. This event should drop prices of items even more. Event aint generating any new adena, just relocating adena from player A to player B, lot of tarots will be opened and reduce prices. Now priority should be to push GM team to make fishing event without generating new adena. There cannot be so much items, that people will sell in shop. Also its needed to push for brooches discounts. They are most OP and still expensive. And special reaction to Naito: man, relax . Your ideas are nonsense, because its going againts basic principle of games - playing game and compete. Now i go sleep, i hope many mad people gonna make nice answers to this post, but i can answer U even now. This is how it working. Im serious.
Endless op and insane l2store price also. The goal of the game is just donate donate and donate ? This is not the reason why you don't play anymore ? How many years you were some one who could change something, some one who was giving feedback to the Innova ? It wasn't you ? Also because of your opinions they were doing what we don't like now. But yeah for you isn't problem anymore so can say, that my opinion is nosense now.
We do not participate in PvP and I think I represent the people which do not usually buy l2store, more like premium now and then. As such I cannot comment in the politics issue, but, in general, I think you are not talking nonsense. About the economy, yes, there were some big steps in the right direction, but I think this is more the result of a chance rather than thought put into game. The deflation happens for some intrinsic reasons, many people cash out and sell adena then adena sellers are banned with a lot of it on them, so a big chunk gets removed that way, also the way to make adena through fishing for poor people with pa only has been removed, fishing is now done at a loss for quests and faction, except for people which use pa bait. Is this good? Does it help poor players? Well, it depends, the absolute destitute ones, yes, they can get autopickup some milions and buy basic immortal or even tw gear for when paulina expires. For the ones which have played for a few months and already have oe weapon and armor, albeit apo and tw, not really, the income is not there for dailies beyond paying for shots and now and then an upgrade such as freya or frint necklace etc. The ones playing for years and still lingering at the bottom, well, they might benefit a bit more because they already know some ways to make money and the more value for those adenas, the better for them, some may even afford baium and aq (non soul versions). There is also another category, people which play for years AND know economy and trade. I count myself and many in my clan among them, we can make tens and even hundreds of billions through various tactics and manipulations, and as people saving adena for those great trades from an ebayer cashing out or desperate to gamble some more, we are definitely on the winning side, however, at least as long as the deflation continues and a new equilibrium is not found, people do not trade or have adena to trade, so we make now item for item trades, anything involving cash includes a serious premium for that. Again, personally, I dont complain, neither people in my clan which can exploit this as any other error in the market, but the general trade suffers. Market is kinda gridlocked and the more adena gets removed,t he more it will be until a new point of equilibrium is reached, people have a psychological block to sell their gear 3 times cheaper than they bought it 4 months ago, so they dont, even if they see an item they want proportionally cheaper, they still cant get it because they hope their own gear will sell "soon" at the prices it used to or at least half the price they paid for it. Otherwise, yes, cheaper (now free) tarots compulsory with packs go a great way to lower ebayer items prices to the point of making them affordable for almost everyone with a brain, some events allow people to make more money for free, this is a good way forward, if they wont nerf events like they did until now. It depends what you meant with this. If you mean people wont be able to sell those items in grocery , so, l2store generates adena in game, well, with the caveat that deflation does not generally help if too steep then I agree, if you mean that fishing should not yield items that you can make adena by trading with other players, no, that is not ok. Say, like last time, ingots, shadow weapons, tauti/kelbim fragments and stuff, yeah, that is the way, they help poor people with decent weapons for pve and some pvp at a limited level, but some armors are needed too. People will not sell them in shops, but OE, if they get to sell them in shop, then it means nobody can afford to oe them so too little adena in game, or enchants are too few, or too expensive, or the enchant success rate makes it not worth to try, people get overall a better return by selling in shop. That is a symptom, not a cause, there is an imbalance somewhere else which is masked by the market which as usual tries to get a maximum efficiency equilibrium. Yes, fishing get shadow, kelbim/tauti items, but also armors and some epics at a certain rate as well as the necessary enchants for the armors. Of people still sell them in shop, then it means rates are not good enough to be worth and either lower shop price, or increase enchant rates.
Well thanks for trying,but by caving right after innova said "nothing will change", we already showed them it will never happen. Why would it be different next event ? Don't even bother protesting.
Can u all stop to act like fkin professors? They bend us over one more time with 5 times ru prices, and hax didnt have the guts to boycott, means next time we see 6x ru prices cuz now they know for sure they can do with us what they want Good job hax and mitsa
magine what would happened if we all only paid for premium for 3-4 months (which is useless too, but this is another topic) and purchased nothing from L2store. It would be inevitable for them to change the prices. Only we could change this….
Myself I still have no talisman but you have to understand we are talking to grown ups, I'm not talking to a class of kids, or you think hax will kick ilethal for making talisman? I stopped people from buying until final decision was made after that everyone is free to take their own decision.
Well I'm not blaming you or anyone, I bought a pack myself once the call was made. I just would have liked it if we tried to keep this going a bit more, maybe through the first week to see if they were making any movement. You can't really expect result after half a day of pressure, but maybe if after a week they saw low sales ( most top buyers are in our clans i guess), they would actually have changed something. Maybe this boycott had 90% chance to fail I think but we could have tried harder, that's what I mean. If people don't follow and buy anyway well nevermind, of course we won't kick them for doing what they want of their money, but at least we'd have given it a real shot.
Ppl gave up the riot/boycott before it even started ... innova's prices were based on how much ppl are willing to pay to "Win" ... Seems they were right , no price is high.
ppl just acting like they would be 10 years old kids. they tried to push innova to do something. but be realistic, you really though something will change cause of it? if the answer is yes, you are so naive. they still milking the dying cow here. its funny ppl moking hax cause have lvl10.. while EN i guess have at least lvl7. so? again only TH is the bad, no matter what happening? TH donors, trashes, zerglings, bots.. did i miss something? the game is like this (and just will be worse, trust me), if you dont like this l2store events, well, there are tons of other games or even servers where you can play. noone force you to be here. yes, you can say its a stupid move from innova .. but that not making any kinda changes here. just make the rage here, and than go back to farm or farm l2store.. and accept it. just my 2 cent here.
Big true man cry on forum and??????? he buy l2 store to make lvl10 talisman gg HAX epic failer member on forums
Sayha Talismans are too important to miss out on. There are always two sides. Either Innova cares or they dont. As for me, if they do it again I will think about quitting Why do you think so? I will just quit next time they screw us over despite 3 warnings Exactly. I cant stop my whole clan. @yLogy 1 day they are in TH and 2nd day in another clan. Should I kick and force everyone to miss out their only chance of making proper lvl sayha talisman because there is a slight % chance that Innova will do smth? No. They will want to play the game the way they want. You as ex-Leader should know that the only tool I have is the kick button. But a leader without members is not a leader anymore. As I said: You can boycott **** like BS did, you cannot force everyone (after spending on lvl6 brooches) to not spend on sayha too As for me, if they continue this way, ill quit. Thats what i can do as Hax, not as TH leader
