[11.02.2018] Community Feedback on everything

ye its not innovas fault. they are just buying it and producing.

You dont care what product you buy and resell after. why would you.

 

Guys this Server is a Business and you all know it what do you expect ? They need to make money they have 250 employee(https://inn.ru/en/) how do you pay 250 PPL with lets say 2k euro/month? You need to have a profit of at least 500k Euro only for salary + the profit and the maintenace

But the point is the l2 store is not goin down maybe it will go up but never down.

The only thing that they can do and they will do it sooner or later is -opening a new server (new dreams new players new $$$$$) and 1 year after that =Merge Ramona&Core because of low numbers of players and also so they can do the Dimensional Siege with the new server.

And the solutins that they are asking regarding how to bring more people is not referring to our ingame issues...

Do you Guys realy think that a company so big and they do not have Smart People ? They know the game better then us they know allready what is goin to happen next .
This topic exist because GM Frogola have a job to interact with the people. GM here is like that office lady that you talk to when you go to the Bank . Your are not talking with the Director or something in Charge.
GM's Have power in the Private servers because they are also the owners of the server or at least they have more power.

Conclusion we can spam the formu as much as we want but the changes are not goin to happen because of what we are talking here, The changes are allready made we are just waiting for the outcome.

 

Point here is:
Why Fragola asking us any feedback if innova cannot do anything, and as fragola is saying devs decline almost everything?
What is our role here?

 

U are right whith most of what ur saying, but first of all
Those 250 Employees are for sure not for l2 eu, for our both servers its maybe 10 and that should be enough , 2nd of all i been asking this question myself a hundret of times, its a huge company they must have smart people, but somehow ... i mean every kid knows its easier to take
1 euro from a million of people, then to take 1 million euro from 1 guy .
What i mean is, even they should find out that if the Server had healthy 3k players and average everyone of them would spend 30€ per month , + maybe 50€ average on events here and there, it would be alot more Money then our lol 300 Playerbase no? + It would be a longtime investment, maybe they could even open more Servers etc, but somehow its not going into their heads.

They are selling Virtual goods which cost close to nothing in Production, in other words they sell Air and we buy it, how u can not get enough money from that?

 

I don't think Fragola is lying. Simply put the koreans devs have become greedy.
To the one who said that the ppl in here will move to ncwest well
i don't think any bank will give you the 10th mortgage you do need to move there.

I see ppl who are checking ncwest as well but i don't understad how they can compare a 100 $ price with a 1 euro price for the very same item.
For the ones of you that simply don't want to understand
100 $ = 124 euro
and not
1.24 euro

In other terms ncwest agation chests (different names) 50 = 200 $ or 248 euro
4 games agation chests (different names) 100 = 60 euro = 74.78 $
To get 100 agation chests on ncwest you don't need 60 euro but 496 euro.

Another thing all of you are complaining about the ppl who are leaving the servers.
You are right. Somethins has to be done ... asap.
Do you really think ncwest is something better ?
Check in here http://l2.laby.fr/status/

Please remember that on ncwest all the players are running at least 3 clients at once or more.

Have a nice day.

 

Everything is so outdated now.
As long as after reading all this posts and they can be sent to Devs what we require and some of them can be done that should make things better as they are now.

Also what needs to be done is to increase levels for tauti, epic tauti, istina octavis, Kartia.
They are so old that there is no point even going there anymore
and the drop u get is appearance or modify scroll which makes ppl to no waste and effort with those instas...

 

Stop blaming the DEVELOPERS.
Developers (NCSoft ones) do not have executive power. They surely dont get to decide what to do. They do what they are told to. Blame NCSoft, not the "poor" fkers working for a pay so they can live.

PS. Also nice to see that in your world, 1 dollar is worth more than 1 euro. (psssst! 100 dollars is about 80.50 euros, so if you pay 200 dollars for 50 chests, you need 400 dollars for 100 chests, those 400 dollars are atm around 320€)

 

Nice to see ncwest employers log in here too since in there folks are thorwing tomatoes on their face due to the circlet event.
Btw you've missed the point.
200 to obtain 50 is 400 to obtain 100
60 to obtain 100 is 60 to obtain 100

For the conversion you can use this one http://www.x-rates.com/calculator/?from=USD&to=EUR&amount=1

I think the others would be pleased to see this one



nonetheless 400 to obtain 100 will be more, in every universe, than 60 to obtain 100.

Btw i've nevers seen on youtube a fanmade video about fragola's scamming attitude.

Now if you please log in there too there are more tomatoes flying by.

Edit 50 scrolls to enchant a circlet are 200 $ worth and the players spent 500 to get nothing.

 

My bad, didnt read it well enough.
Now, someone forgot to tell me i work for ncwest. They probably sent me my paycheck by pigeon xD
Again. Its not up to the developers to decide what to do with the game. NCSoft is not an indie, living in a basement, type of company. If you dont understand this, i cant help you.
About your "edit": They did get something. They got what they paid for. They PAID to play an RNG game (event, enchant or w/e that circlet is).
If players pay to play with RNG, then they either win or lose. But what they cannot do is complain. No one forced them to pay in the first place.

 

Well bro this event was so outrageus that ncwest got the p2w title in the montly mmorpg review.
Honestly if you pay 500 us dollars to buy enchant scrolls what do you think those scrolls should do?
Perhaps enchant something to +2?
Sorry bro unless you own microsoft you will end up with a bunch of +1 pixels if you have 72 luc though.

 

Winning l2 is such a stupid concept it is not worth mentioning, so p2w ideas and criticism do not apply in my view.
I see most of the people complain about l2store issues and how that makes it hard/expensive to "win".
Well, "winning" PvP is not something many people can dream of, the top spot in oly is done through feeding anyway, and PK in 7:1 or ebayer against afk char in parnassus under the pretext of war (as EN does with sneaking boxes in poor people clans to start wars) is not really PvP.
What remains is sieges for castles (forts are not worth for ebayers and is not hard to understand why).
Yes, sieges for castles is fun, it requires good gear even for the low ones, but you can still take a castle with 20 people which didnt invest more than 1 k eur each, top ebayers cant be everywhere last 10 minutes.
What people forget is that this game is not about me against the world, it is about cooperation, sure, one ebayer can wipe 2-3 parties of nonebayers, it was always like that, even in the bot times, one ebayer and bot came with his train and took a castle full on auto except the driver, before GoD, so nothing changed there, the only difference is that you can now pay for gear in l2store instead of the blackmarket and botting is much less blatant these days.
I do not see the changes after GoD as being bad, now botting is legit and free for all (one of the solutions I proposed some 10 years ago) and adena is sold in L2Store so the company running the servers profit, not the black market dealers (which still do due to some brianless people, but smart ebayer is in most cases an oxymoron). It was always p2w, pay for bot, pay for adena, now at least everyone can do it legit and it is good this way.

The thing most people here do not understand, is that there is a category of people which do not wish to "win", therefore do not pay, at least not as top ebayers do, just for premium 1-2 accounts, some chaos essence now and then, cosmetics, etc. There are more people doing this than the admins and devs realize, just that we dont usually care to participate in l2store updates and feed back as it generally does not concern us except for the purpose of trading and investing, for fishing and other pay2level up events, the nerfed to the bone farming events where you dont have to pay to participate, etc.
I agree it is our fault too for not really caring to voice our concerns, but the admins cannot say they didnt know this, the server has more population than the max 50 top ebayers and 100+ midranged ones, and it is impossible not to see those make the majority and there would be no ebayers without cannon fodder to pk, because 1 shot anything is not pvp, but execution using exploits such as starting war with boxes or coming flagged in aoe pve farming spots, the simple fact that happens means ebayers are bored and have no fun in staged events such as tournaments or "come for 7v7 if you dare and bought the dragon weapons needed", PKing pve people is so sad and devoid of any meaning in the era of 100% ressurection that is not even worth discussing as an entertainment option, only sick kids do it.

So, what to do?

As someone said, while it is not really better to take one eur from 1 mil people each, than 1 million from one person, because the costs would be very different in the two cases, you CAN take 1 mil from one or a few rich people and 10 eur from each other person every week or so. If the game has content and that is accessible with that investment, people will pay, not PvP, of course, but will still be enough to fix the economy and farming.
Neglecting this large category or simply turning it away through rudeness and ignoring tickets for years just because you are not a top ebayer, is not going to fix anything. Before trying to attract big ebayers, you need to create the environment where they can enjoy their very expensive stay, without it, it wont happen, even if, by some miracle, there will be some promo going on outside of the game.

 

actually 100€ = 124$

 

Yup, I usually come back to Ramona from time to time to see how is It going and man...everytime I log in drops are lower, new op items, economy going to hell and new p2w events coming.

If I want some good Olys/Sieges/Pvps I just switch to private servers or even classic (I dont have enough time to grind there but Skelth is a really good server), but I'm not going to sell my car and my house in order to stay competitive here.
Ill just stick with PvE and some random stuff with my friends and that's about it. (But even so, we cant enjoy 80% of the new game content because we dont have enough gear)

The main problem here?

--> NcSoft <--

These Casino politics should be illegal dude...
Each time I log in I see some new boxes giving random rewards and we cant even know the chances of each item haha.
But that's how casinos works after all.

 

At casinos u know chances.
Here not.

 

Wrapping up your suggestions:

Adena drop/L2Store prices - our position is already explained in the starting post. Can't say anything new here.
For those requesting increasing adena input in the economy - just read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
It makes no sense and will not make the life of new players easier. So we don't even suggest it as it makes 0 sense.

The real problem is gearing up for "current" content - like gearing up in R99 when you're already 100+.

Increasing full item drop, on the other hand, should lead to deflation - making the buying power of the adena better and increasing item supply in the market. Unfortunately, we have also an Item-to-NPC process where NPC traders with unlimited adena buy your items at a certain price and no sane owner of an R99 set would sell it to player lower than to NPC. Devs don't plan to change this and make selling price to NPC close to 0 (unfortunately), so we have a situation where some people can farm items in top content where it still drops, getting both gear and adena from selling this gear. And new players who level too fast and gear up too slow, so when R Paulina is over, they end up in S grade in 95+ level content. And buffless.

So if @yLogy is right, and partying before 100+ isn't "a thing" on both servers, then 1 goal should be helping people get 100 faster (we know how to do it) so they could at least find parties (population problem), and 2nd goal should be helping them gear up for that 100 and not be 1shot in PvE (which is kinda an issue).

And the 2nd one is tricky because it would require to somehow limit the possibility to be abused by top folks to generate more adena by selling these easier obtainable items to NPCs. Because that's what you want, right - to reach top folks faster than they reach new items/content. "To catch up".

Now, I assume this is about PvP:

And it's a bit strange to me - why would a new (solo) player expect to be on the same level of equipment as people who play and farm here for years in clans/CPs?

L2 still is and I think always was about cooperation and reward-for-time-and-organization. In Classic people have to group up to farm epics, in Salvation people have to group up to consume higher level content/better complete instances etc.

You might be tired of this explanation, but we keep negotiating possible changes to the game and item introduction with the devs according to our vision. They have their own vision and finding balance is a challenge we're going through.

Also, a lot of changes to the game (from crafting system to enchantment) has been offered here. What I sum up to transfer to the devs are:
1) Rework on the spoiling/crafting system
2) Making Zaken and other low-level raids interesting again
3) Maybe a way to upgrade your current equipment without the need to buy a completely new one (kudos to @TrotTrot)
4) Address the issue of leveling up faster than gearing up

And a bit offtopic:

Innova publishes several large MMORPG games in Russia (ru.4game.com), why do you think all our income comes from 1 EU Main project?

CM, not GM.

@BeFair said the community can suggest 1000s ideas for Innova to implement. That's how this topic was created.
But really, I always have hope that we might find better words or better ideas to change this to be a better place for everyone.

- If you have a ticket ref number "that's been ignored for years" please send it to my PM, I'll ask about that.
- Creating a better environment for everyone here is my personal goal (and challenge) so I'm devoted to making it happen and I don't care how much time or effort I need to put into this.

 

As i see Fragolas post:

long story short:

System is perfect, its mistake of players who have low level of solidarity with newbies.

Players are so greedy and they are selling items to NPC instead of waiting and sell them to newbies, even for lower price than actuall NPC price.
Players are so lazy to help and XP and develop other characters ( newbies ones ).

 

ok, special short version for @yLogy:

"The system is pretty broken, we're trying to make devs fix it or think of ways to compensate the issues.
The current economy doesn't support newbies.
The players level up faster than they gear up, which isn't right."

 

Well dont make ur usual Failure and just slow down the leveling by 500 times so people can be lvl 101 after 6 years and have the "proper" gear then for that lvl

Feb 20, 2018

Now, I assume this is ​

about PvP​

:
BeFair said: ↑

if a new Player comes and want to play the game ( ie. pve/pvp etc) and have atleast somewhat of fun, he need to pay 500 bil​

And it's a bit strange to me - why would a new (solo) player expect to be on the same level of equipment as people who play and farm here for years in clans/CPs?​

I dont say a new Player should be in the same shoes as one that played 5 years, but the old players have a HUGE ADVANTAGE to the new players, cuz back then IF U REMEMBER it was possible to farm atleast a bit adena, while now its 0, hell its even - Adena since u use Consumables to xp.
All i say is give the Players a reason to log in, give them a light at the end of the tunnel and they will work/farm / play for it, but now there is no hope for them.
And npc prices for Items are not a Problem really, what npc give for a r99 set? 500kk for the whole set? I dont think anyone that plays this game ( atleast 98% ) wouldnt have a problem to spend € on it to support the Server/the Company , just not 500€ per Month !​

 

if you look at the Chinese versions/ Japan and other territories, they have so much of other things, coz devs gave them, and what we got? the same old...

Feb 20, 2018

what must be changed back is nerf that were added due to bots, well guess some of that nerf should be added back I guess

Feb 20, 2018

That's not how you should look at it. Firstly and lastly new players will never be at the top as old current players, but you must give them a chance to be somewhere in this game..

ill give you example. been playing here for last couple of years. and few of my friends asked about core. Then joined the server played until 95, and since then progress was poor coz they haven't had much of adena or any gear. helped them as much as I could, but they just quit the game coz they could not progress at all. They were with me in pts, party as much as possible, but drops and everything is so poor that I lost more adena on shots then they actually got some sort of adena/drops...

and hows that works towards new people?

 

In fact, the currenct economy doesn't. Thats why we dont have new ppl in the server.

Im worried about ur words "Devs don't plan to change this and make selling price to NPC close to 0 (unfortunately)"... cuz the game is about R99 gear... so, a new player getting an apo/tw/imo/req from drop will get even less adena than now.

I came here from ncwest some years ago ... we were 10 players.. most of them left the game in the last 2 years (no drops, uber items, now uber items for olys, etc.)... now they are calling me to change for another game... read ur post makes me consider that.