Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

I think a CL can carry his clan by shotcalling. If you think that a CL has to be in the top damage dealer to be a good CL , then yes , please keep your words for you. Cursed was a good leader , tho , he wasn't carrying things in pvp.

What isn't fair is to talk about it with someone that is out of clan. But I guess your vision of a clan leader is also saying to you that it's the good way to be.

 

Cursed was the best tank in every aspect of the game who played on this server.

 

Yeah but a tank alone cannot carry an entire clan in pvp , even if he is the best.

 

Like a DD can.

 

Okay, I had to browse my TS chat history, but here it is. Only pasting it here because you are making it look like you offered the world, but in fact you offered only normal items given from clan to cps + the valakas caster, another clan property (or so it should be..) This offer was idk, roughly 2 times worse than the other one?

P.S: Also that clan help was just helping him with the other 2 mats (putting on craft workshop), while he crafted mats for YOUR two weapons for FREE for days, you kicked him from clan and started PK him like spiteful *****.

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*** Chat begins 2017-10-17 21:39:56
<21:39:56> EternalNab: as i told music
<21:40:02> EternalNab: clan help for lvl1 is included
<21:40:06> EternalNab: inthe offer
<21:40:17> EternalNab: else i thinkt he offer is enough, dunno ztifler said its too much already
<21:41:08> Eshonai: well, about the upgrade, he wont get it to lv1 (onimod), so i dont think he care about that part, and about the offer
<21:41:14> Eshonai: i personally think its not quite good
<21:41:19> EternalNab: why it isnt
<21:41:49> Eshonai: well considering that this is one of the lets say 2 top weapons, difference between it and valakas caster is more than .. 200b?
<21:41:55> Eshonai: or so, that it was what i read in chat
<21:42:10> EternalNab: Valakas thrower good yes
<21:42:15> EternalNab: but it needs upgradetoo
<21:42:24> EternalNab: and if you look price wise
<21:42:29> EternalNab: lets say thrower is 1T
<21:42:37> EternalNab: my offer was 850b minimum
<21:42:42> EternalNab: if he sells the caster+claws
<21:43:30> Eshonai: valakas caster + 25claws + 1x lindvior + 1x abundance + pvp weapon stone + 40b = thats the info i got
<21:43:38> Eshonai: thats around 200 and something billions + caster
<21:43:40> EternalNab: 40b wasnt included but i can put that
<21:43:47> EternalNab: caster is minimum 500
<21:43:50> EternalNab: claws are 200b
<21:43:51> EternalNab: nearly
<21:43:53> EternalNab: 150-200b
<21:43:58> Eshonai: idk, claws were 3b
<21:44:02> Eshonai: i havent looked exactly now
<21:44:03> EternalNab: check ah
<21:44:05> EternalNab: currently 20b
<21:44:10> EternalNab: if he waits
<21:44:11> EternalNab: after event
<21:44:15> EternalNab: he can sell easily 10b each
<21:44:21> Eshonai: well sure, but bow after even can be sold for much more
<21:44:22> Eshonai: also
<21:44:23> Eshonai: ;)
<21:44:27> EternalNab: no
<21:44:30> EternalNab: i dont think so
<21:44:36> EternalNab: because i will just make the caster
<21:44:39> EternalNab: and he can sell to en
<21:44:58> EternalNab: he has 2 options
<21:45:05> EternalNab: this week at least MINIMUM 3 archer weapons
<21:45:07> EternalNab: dropped
<21:45:47> EternalNab: so
<21:45:51> EternalNab: if next week 3 more drop
<21:45:53> EternalNab: how many ppl u think
<21:45:55> EternalNab: can offer 1 T
<21:45:57> EternalNab: or more
<21:46:01> EternalNab: the ones who can will buy
<21:46:06> EternalNab: and rest cant or wont offer
<21:46:09> EternalNab: cuz they cant upgrade anymore
<21:46:12> EternalNab: claws will all be used
<21:46:40> Eshonai: perhaps, or perhaps not. i cant say, its his decision, i personally think you can offer him more
<21:46:49> EternalNab: depends what he wants more
<21:46:53> Eshonai: looking at those items, all seems to be clan drops, no?
<21:46:54> EternalNab: iron+ztifler+my cp say its enough
<21:46:59> EternalNab: its my items
<21:47:01> EternalNab: which ill give
<21:47:40> EternalNab: and foremost there is phantom assassin with antharas bow
<21:47:45> EternalNab: rather offer him, hes rl friend of orc
<21:47:51> EternalNab: +earth attribute
<21:47:58> EternalNab: so you heard my offer
<21:48:01> EternalNab: you can put smth on top
<21:48:04> EternalNab: but i wont go much higher
<21:48:23> Eshonai: what was your offer?
<21:48:28> Eshonai: you told me that its w/op the adena
<21:48:31> Eshonai: idk where this adena came from then
<21:48:49> EternalNab: caster+25claws+pvp weapon+lindvior+abu1 was offer, and i said to build onimod offer based on this
<21:49:00> EternalNab: or
<21:49:03> EternalNab: without caster+claws
<21:49:05> EternalNab: 600b adena
<21:49:10> EternalNab: 600b adena + pvp weapon+lindvior+abu1
<21:50:51> Eshonai: well we will see what he decide, i guess for now he looks for his options
<21:50:59> EternalNab: from this clan
<21:51:03> EternalNab: its the only u get this high
<21:51:14> EternalNab: none else has
<21:51:15> Eshonai: if it was me, as i told him, i probably wouldnt sell for a price that low, i would
<21:51:23> Eshonai: ask for valakas caster + 50 claws + materials
<21:51:29> EternalNab: lol
<21:51:37> Eshonai: ;)
<21:51:45> EternalNab: anyways tell him what he wants more
<21:52:16> EternalNab: no point to wait
<21:52:18> EternalNab: unless he sells to enemy
<21:52:22> EternalNab: then he can do what he wants
<21:53:05> EternalNab: tell 600b+the items if he doesnt want caster
<21:53:15> Eshonai: i told him
<21:53:20> Eshonai: but imo caster
<21:53:21> Eshonai: is better ;)
<21:54:41> EternalNab: yea but claws are always
<21:54:45> EternalNab: under the condition of staying
<21:54:47> EternalNab: upgrade help too
<21:54:53> EternalNab: also helping with lvl5 recipes
<21:54:56> EternalNab: is invaluable
<21:55:00> EternalNab: if i offer this
<21:55:05> EternalNab: i can get thrower for free from others
<21:55:13> EternalNab: cuz EN miss recipes
<21:59:47> EternalNab: i can add 40 pvp armor stones
<21:59:49> EternalNab: for his +10 set
<21:59:51> EternalNab: does he want that
<22:05:31> EternalNab: mermoden 8 i can put too :D
<22:13:10> EternalNab: so what he said
<22:15:37> Eshonai: well idk, he didnt say yes
<22:15:40> Eshonai: i stopped talking to heim
<22:16:03> EternalNab: ok i will pm him then
<22:16:10> Eshonai: i think he went to sleep idk
<22:16:13> Eshonai: thats why he went silent
<22:16:55> EternalNab: ok
<22:43:05> EternalNab: ******* idiot
<22:43:08> EternalNab: this is 100% en boss
<22:43:12> EternalNab: box
<22:43:15> Eshonai: he was playing
<22:43:20> Eshonai: with this kristien for some months
<22:43:23> Eshonai: its some random donor
<22:43:28> Eshonai: in some factions etc
<22:44:42> EternalNab: hes a ******* ******
<22:44:50> EternalNab: no wonder half clan complains about him
*** Chat begins 2017-10-17 22:46:40
<22:46:40> EternalNab: if you had told me what he wants more
<22:46:44> EternalNab: i would've offered close to it
<22:46:46> EternalNab: and kept in clan
<22:46:49> EternalNab: and made his caster lvl1
<22:46:51> EternalNab: ****** pure
<22:47:09> EternalNab: dont know how u didnt tell him to wait
<22:47:15> Eshonai: i told him
<22:47:18> Eshonai: i said to him he can get
<22:47:20> Eshonai: better offer if he waits
<22:48:30> Eshonai: he didnt tell me now that
<22:48:33> Eshonai: he clicks OK on trade
<22:48:37> Eshonai: when u were here, so i didnt know
<22:48:41> EternalNab: hes a ******
<22:48:47> EternalNab: this is 100%
<22:48:49> EternalNab: en
<22:48:56> EternalNab: so tell himgz
<22:49:00> EternalNab: for "not selling to en"
<22:49:02> EternalNab: seriously
<22:50:17> EternalNab: its 100% tranks or so
<22:50:21> EternalNab: its naked toon
<22:50:27> EternalNab: tranks probably made new char and leveled with it
<22:50:44> EternalNab: enchanted his weapon and failed to +16
<22:50:56> EternalNab: and then +17 again
<22:51:32> Eshonai: tell me what can i do, you said your offer, you said you wont give much, all telling you this is even high
<22:51:38> Eshonai: he had 80% better offer
<22:51:38> Eshonai: ?
<22:51:43> EternalNab: 80%
<22:51:46> EternalNab: he had barely 30% bette roffer
<22:51:54> EternalNab: i offered u a fking
<22:51:57> EternalNab: lvl1 dragon weapon
<22:52:02> EternalNab: you are ******* stupid lol
<22:52:32> Eshonai: first, idk why u trash me
<22:52:40> EternalNab: cuz im angry
<22:52:40> Eshonai: second you didnt offer me anything, u told me what you offer him
<22:52:44> Eshonai: i can see you are angry
<22:52:51> EternalNab: my offer was close to 1T
<22:52:52> Eshonai: but dont take it out on me, im not getting **** from this trades
<22:53:00> EternalNab: and i could've added abit and at least kept it in clan
*** Chat begins 2017-10-19 19:42:02
<19:42:02> EternalNab: kristien didnt log past 2 days, nice random active char :D
<19:44:28> Eshonai: mm yeah, im not sure she was so active even before, idk
<19:44:59> EternalNab: she told me she will pm me the next day
<19:45:11> EternalNab: and it was toon without armor lvl101 in giran
<19:45:12> EternalNab: cmon :p
<19:45:18> EternalNab: it smelled EN from giran to aden
<19:46:03> EternalNab: if he had waited 10 seconds longer
<19:46:11> EternalNab: i wouldve offered better on my offer which already was better
<19:46:15> EternalNab: because as you see claws already cost 12b
<19:46:35> EternalNab: after event 20b
<19:46:42> Eshonai: in ru its 50b
<19:46:42> Eshonai: ;)
<19:46:45> Eshonai: almost since start
<19:46:47> EternalNab: yes
<19:46:52> EternalNab: and thats why my offer was better
<19:46:54> EternalNab: left and right
<19:46:58> EternalNab: and i would've still increased it
<19:47:27> EternalNab: got 20 pm from all cps
<19:47:32> EternalNab: to kick him but i refused so far
<19:47:37> EternalNab: just makes me very very angry
<19:49:05> EternalNab: and i guess knowing that he sold to EN for cheaper than to me is quite understandable why im angry
<19:49:30> Eshonai: well cheaper is a matter of timing in this case, at the current time it wasnt
<19:49:35> Eshonai: now with all demand for claws it is
<19:49:37> Eshonai: perhaps so ;)
<19:49:44> EternalNab: at the current time it was
<19:49:46> EternalNab: and still is
<19:49:52> EternalNab: is that a reason to sell to EN?
<19:50:37> Eshonai: well i cant speak on others' behalf
<19:50:48> EternalNab: u spoke with him 20 mins
<19:50:52> EternalNab: and didnt inform me about kristien
<19:51:00> EternalNab: so that kinda makes me angry too

 

<2102> EternalNab: clan help for lvl1 is included

+ what I told you on TS as well. I told you we will make it lvl1, to not worry about it and here you are confirming what i wrote.
If a lvl1 caster is a worse offer than a +16 pvp weapon, i am not sure.

Also why do you differ between clan items/my items? The bow would have NEVER been in my sole posession. The moment I quit it would go to the next CL who can do whatever he wants with it. Same as the helios ring went back to clan.
The clan needed that thrower and you sold it to EN.
Dont forget to include what onimod wrote me! "Dont worry I will never sell to EN".

You are clowning yourself with that chat history

 

Help, that's too vague, means nothing. Who is to say that you won't back out from your words once you get what you want? Also 25 claws is nothing if you can't afford buying the other 25, so he ends up with caster he can't use. Also you can check that few times you mentioned that your two parties think this offer is enough and you don't offer more, so I cannot understand why you got so mad after, given that as you said you will not offer more?

I don't care if I am clowning myself in some forum full of peasants. I am showing what it actually was, not just saying "i showed logs to rio/iron, they know bla bla".

After your TS breakdown, you started some clan chat/pm lie spreading, claiming that you would have created a valakas caster for him, probably single handedly, and making people just straight negative towards a person, who just saw a 2x times better offer and took it, thus keeping your ego in check a bit. People started PMing him, talking **** until they heard that version that I just pasted now.

 

I never talked to any1 outside clan about it. What makes you think that?

Like Rio said, 1 person cannot carry his clan, but a strong CL party can secure pvps on a daily basis for his lower parties and give them a sense of security when farming or leaving town.
With a lvl1 toon I'd need to rely on other CPs.

Sep 10, 2018

I told you on TS not to worry about the claws, even the next 25 ones.
The only and sole reason Onimod refused my offer was not because my offer was low, it was because MusicShield offered him 600b for a clean caster without the claws. that 600b was the majority of truth's offer.

Sep 10, 2018

Again. The only reason Truths offer was better, was that for MusicShield a clean caster was the same as a lvl1 caster. That's the only and sole reason. In this matter Onimod wasn't exactly wrong.
The only thing to blame him for was not telling me about Kristiens offer BEFORE making the trade. He basically didnt give me any chance to react to it.

also dont try to twist things: You guys didnt get kicked because of that valakas thrower. You guys got kicked because you are too stupid to focus on lilith+anakim and NOT go atelia for 30 mins.

 

In the end for me it is and it was irrelevant, but as far as i remember, TheTruth's offer was something along the lines:

Valakas Caster fragment, +16 pvp caster 3sa, lindvior, abundance 4, insanity, 100b. Possibly something more that I can't force myself to recall right now. Also mind you, insanity was 100b+ at that time, abu4 was 80b+ or smth.

 

Only better because of MusicShield, not because my offer was objectively worse. In fact my offer was objectively seen better. Just in that particular situation worse because of MusicShield.

I even wrote you: 600b + Items. the 600b were already better than Truths whole offer because the clean caster is pretty much worthless

insanity stagnated at 80b for long, never been 100b+
abu4 yes around 60-80b.
300b +- caster, lindvior like 50b, 100b cash

610b +- was his whole offer considering the worthless clean caster.
If any1 wanna tell me that a clean caster will add any value to that offer, is just trolling at this point

 

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<15:28:37> EternalNab: so i dont know why you guys keep trying to provoke me with this sht despite me saying it on global couple of times
<15:28:45> EternalNab: but I say these kind of things for a reason
<15:28:56> EternalNab: and after that thrower you of all should know that continueing these provocations
<15:29:00> EternalNab: is completely stupid
<15:29:10> Eshonai: ok, explain me the reason for me to bsoe, when i CANT log 1 more char
<15:29:16> Eshonai: and i am full macro farming not even looking at it
<15:29:18> EternalNab: because if i allow u
<15:29:23> EternalNab: then i nneed to allow others
<15:29:29> EternalNab: who "surprisingly" wont have 1 char too
<15:29:34> EternalNab: makes sense? yes it does

To me it looks like valakas thrower deal gone wrong had something to do with that, given what you said here? It's a pure joke for you to tell that people are stupid to focus for some raids while we are not even looking at our toons that farm and we are always moving lilith/anakim chars. NONE of our party ever failed entering, which I can't say for many others.

 

I came to TS several times. Talked to you numerous times. Gave you three chances and you blew all your last 2 on the same day. It is not hard to PR from Atelia during anakim+lilith.
Obviously I didnt like Onimod, but the kick had nothing to do with the thrower.

 

Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. The infamous kick was only a kick after I told you we are leaving given you have decided to threaten us for some total bs, after we discussed it with cp in ts. Long story short, you went emo.

 

I didnt get emo. I threatened you to get kicked. You decided to leave.

Typical situation: "you're fired!" "no you cant fire me because i quit!"

Same sht.

Also total bullsht?:

<1518> EternalNab: because if i allow u
<1523> EternalNab: then i nneed to allow others
<1529> EternalNab: who "surprisingly" wont have 1 char too
<1534> EternalNab: makes sense? yes it does

This is the ONLY reason why I did not allow the afk farm. Not because I didn't trust you to move your char, but because you didn't follow the rules.

@[Sprtcs] @{IronV} and many other can confirm that I gave them the EXACT same reasoning when they wanted to macro farm gainak during some clan events. It is not a matter of trusting that specific person. It will simply be impossible for me to check who is actually watching the raid and who isnt.

 

Look, this is going borderline petty now, but point is we are not some slaves waiting for you to tell us what to do while we are spending our time in game. We follow clan and are active where we had to. You telling people that not only they should go and do this and that, but they can't spend their time and boosts in the game when and as they want, now that is pretty stupid and basically forcing people's hands. You can't make up some stupid rules and expect people to obey.

P.S: I remember you forcing the clan to go and kill Sprtcs in gainak, because of violations perhaps during anakim/lilith, still that was for like a day or two, then he went to farm like a boss uninterrupted again (not like many were interrupting him in any case). What kind of rules are that, where you can just enforce them for some and not for the rest?

 

That's how a clan and life works. Sorry to burst your bubble.
But I am glad you helped clarify both the offer matter and your kick matter.
Other than that I had no problem with you guys either way.

 

We are talking about a game here, and this is totally not how a game actually works. Basically you decide what to do in it. You don't just log to be bossed around after work by another guy, a self-proclaimed boss Anyway, no hard feelings.

 

wts/wtt lf offers

 

He is right though.
You cant be in a top clan and have a busy life. You have to put in the work/time/money/effort and drama avoidance cloak. Specially in Lineage 2 where staying on top is often as hard (or harder) than getting there.

 

I get your point and have no desire to argue, so let's call it a matter of perspective.