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  1. xHaseo

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    People being so upset for the Essence version of the RU...can we please remember that, back in the day, RU server started with Classic 1.0, a total flop, while the EU started from 1.5 to allow us to play, since the 1.0 was a really really braindead patch? (it was 'classic', for sure, it gave you the feeling you had in c1 where you were forced to xp w/o ss).

    Also, people are throwing random numbers, 5000 euros to be competitive, where? I've been watching the RU essence in both videos and site, studying the several pages and updates. I can't see anything wrong.

    In the first place, let's remember that BD and SWS are gone, meaning you'll all be playing w/o dances and song (since those are self buffs for the 2 enchanters), making all ur stats lower compared to the Classic.

    Second thing : being competitive and being top/god tier, are 2 different things. The items inside the p2w store are available mostly with L-Coins, you can drop those coins from mobs OR, if you want, with real money.

    In GOD i was able to be 'competitive' even w/o top items, ofc, i could go and fight normal players, i had lots of problems to deal with top-tier players with tons of euros wasted on their toon (and for 'tons of euros' i mean players with +8/10 pvp sets/+15 pvp weapons/brooches 5+ etc etc) otherwise, as long as they were "human", i could stand them.

    The p2w, is a part of l2 since ever, as someone said earlier, either it was via 3rd parts or is it via l2 store.

    What we should be worried the most is : how healthy will the server be? People here qqing you wont be able to even buy shots w/o donations and things like that, will it be the case or they're just blablaing? I mean, they said that you need to spam skills with archer to exp so albalester is the best pick for PVE...but what if i make a DE and farm with auto attacks? Skills landing 3000 dmg while autos are dealing 1000? or it'd be like skills landing 3000 and autos 500?

    Anyway, one thing is certain : you can go and play ALL the classes in essence cause, in the late game with all the p2w items, all the classes are strong enough to pve/pvp.

    Let's wait official patch notes (rip to the guy who posted the RU patch notes and got banned, even tho is quite stupid from Innova since everyone was already aware of those patch notes...or i'm the only one?) and then we'll see. Just few more hours than 24s and we'll know the truth :)
     
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  2. procc

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    Yes this will be a pure donate server. Advertise about it everywhere! :D
     
  3. Macvay

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    oh boy, i had more than that. It's even not about your gear .
    Its just about ability to play. ability to lvl up your character. Even 76 lvl is pretty hard to get (without donate on sayha bottles, shots and spirit ores)
    Just read russian forums if you know russian. If you dont - use google translate.
    Or at least just look on russian main servers online. 2 servers almost full (third one is a **** swamp), one of them even has queue at prime time. Its kinda strange when servers with a long story (im talking about whole story, besides they were merged, the whole players data is 10 + years on each), with AFK farming system (just like Essence), with alot donate items in shop too, has much more online than Essence servers. How do you think?
    Oct 1, 2019
    Speaking for real, this time is bad for EU, if you will get a current Ru versiomn. You will get a version, where the economic system were destroyed. Essence before august's patch on RU servers were pretty ok. So i have a bad news for you here.

    oh, i see. You looks like expert then.Seems like you able to learn how to play just looking on two videos and several pages on forum.
     
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    What about guy LekiTV from server white, he maked series of videos where he exping arba from 1lvl without donate. In month he get near 80 lvl, get into oly and be competitive on same budget oponents.
    I understand, that full boosted chars explodes vitality, but u don't use storms so u can exping longer and get get more adena, spend those adena for some lcoins or invest into marked to make more adena. U don't need to farm main char 24/7 and be top, if u must, then ofc u need invest money. But if u wanna be alpha but u can't because low budget, don't go and cry. Game is for fun, logon daily, spend your saiha, do some clan activities, like arena rb or some wars, comunicate your mates. If u wanna be top dog better focus on real life, autohunt gives you this oportunity.
     
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  5. Eyon00

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    You are gonna get a big surprise if you think this server will be viable without paying. The design of essence is kinda like a trap. It's good at the start because you can farm long hours with the freebies but at higher levels you cant do anything except having a botfarm with multiple pcs for adena/lcoin.
     
  6. MrCocaine

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    I do speak russian and played on there when it was opened initially. However i live in North America and most of games of this kind are p2w and a lot of russians were b8tching about l2e because of their income levels and because russians usually prefer to hack/cheat and play for free rather than pay for your hobby. I'm pretty sure that EU and NA communities will find this server fun to play despite the cost as it would be less harmful to their wallets due to higher income levels.
     
  7. xHaseo

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    It's not about being expert, i know how to play all the classes in l2, in the first place, what i meant is : if you get enough infos, you can start ahead of others. Now, i still don't know what's in the whole l2 store but i saw the l-coin store.

    Actually, at the opening, as far as i could see, the Store had 4 items : a free packet with +16 NG weapons and items, a 7 euro (more or less) pack with...idk, the C weapon +7 and lots of usefull items and then 2 packs with L-coins. Now, prices were quite low for those things, at least for the RU to EU value. Just sayin', people have hobbies and some "luxury"...for example, some people like to smoke...i don't. So, instead of wasting 5 euro per day to buy cigas here in my country, why can't i spend them in l2? People like to buy expensive drinks, i don't, so why can't i keep 10+ euros per week?

    Fact is, people talking about essence of the RU are all referring to some sorta of rush for things, people spending 5000 euros in 4 months to be competitive..prolly, you're the stupid one. Nobody forces you to waste so much, people saying you' wont have adenas to buy shots and ores, fine for ores for the buffs, but what if i xp w/o shots? XP will be slower, but who cares? Back in the days you were xping 24/7 to get a fuking low % on levels 76+, so who cares if i make 70 in 1 day or in 3 days?
    I've been watching the XP tablets of classic and essence, xp 'till 61 is faster in essence, than it becomes almost the same for a few level, than essence start requiring even 2x the XP for level up compared to classic. Don't remember if the first level to be already 2x is the 68 which requires exactly twice the amount of XP...and 76 in essence requires 5 times the xp of the classic.

    L2 is going faster and faster but game is not meant to be rush, you can make things slowly. If all the p2w items are going to stay inside the store, then none is forcing you to buy them right when they're out. Take ur time, relax and remember that there were ALWAYS be someone spending LOTS of euros for this game.
     
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  8. banedarkshade

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    Well said sir. :63:
     
  9. ciccocicco

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    Don’t play.
    Find the last grain of selfrespect left in you and don t play.

    Sincerely
    Your beloved friend
    Xoxo
     
  10. dreikas1

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    Party of 2 , one with boost and my boost finished if he finish to kill mobs i get same aden or lower?
     
  11. Macvay

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    Yeah, what about:
    He start to play kamael long before august update without craft casino ****, "death of dwarfes" and everything.
    He didnt tell you how much farm alts and computers he had. I've got only 3 characters and it takes 4 months to make 76 on one of them.
    He made alot of money before august update on crafting items, enchanting, exchanging..There is no other way to get 80 in 1 month without crafting **** and farming market. But he made, yeah. You cant do this now, cause there is no crafting system now and no exchanging too..
    He made alot of money on donate event in late july (just like alot of my clan mates).. typical casino with chance to become a super rich man.. or lost everything. I spend alot adena on it (about 100 kk, those days it was like 4 8k l-coin boxes on Green).. and get back only 20~ with trash (thank god, there was alot of sayha bottles and cake's in it, it gives me a chance to make 2-3 lvls after ). If he didnt - he's liar.

    Here is why:
    To make 80 lvl you need to get 44kkk EXP. Ok, lets imagine we get at least 30 kkk exp through magic lamps (but you have to be Nation Lottery winner with this kind of luck, usually (read on my expirience), you get 50% from grinding, 50% through lamps). Then you need to get 14 kkk through grinding.
    0.7 SG its about 1 lamp use (if you dont use Storms, if you use it - then its about 1.2, depends on population on your grinding spot). For time to get 1 lamp use u get 10kk EXP.
    14 000 000 000 / 10 000 000 = 1400 lamp uses
    0.7 * 1400 = 980 SG's (1176 if youre speedlvling and use storms. he was).
    To get 1 SG you need to spend 4 sayha bottles. So totally you need 3920 bottles (or 4704 bottles with storms). If youre super puper puper lucky (a Nation Lottery winner as i said). Price of 1 bottle on Ru servers == 20 l-coins. So, you need AT LEAST 78400 l-coins just for exping (of coarse, there is donate events when bottles are cheaper then usually, but they were not cheaper than 11 l-coins per 1 bottle). Its 10 8k boxes.
    But financial plan for exping for average man is going to be like that (read like "Realistic plan")
    22 000 000 000 / 10 000 000 = 2200 lamp uses
    0.7 * 2200 = 1540 (6160 bottles)
    1.2 * 2200 = 2640(with storms)(10560 bottles)
    Totally: 123k l-coins(15 boxes+) / 211k l-coins(26 boxes+).
    Price of 1 box in good times was 20 kk (now its 80kk). It was realy good times. Even before july's update. But anyway.
    So, you need totaly 300 kk/520kk adena just for sayha bottles. Just to get up your lvl. If you dont dying, but its not impossible. You spending your 2 free ressurection easy, just because of pk. Its good if you dont play in clan with wars, but if you play prepare more l-coins. And adena on it.
    Its just sayha. But you need also soulshot's. It costs 24 adena for 1 warrior soulshot. NG-C Bows consume 2 soulshots.
    You also need Storms if you want to exp faster. Counting have no sense, just like soulshots. But average price of it - 100k for 20 mins buff 200% exp.
    You also need Spirit ores for your buff. Or you need Sayha scrolls - 10 l-coins per 20 min buff (standard DW, focus etc buffs + PoF analogue + better MP/HP restore).
    You need HP potions if you want to Exp in ToI (or second Box healer). Thousands
    You need ALOT of Elemental stones to lvl up your elemental spirits. For average lvl (i think its 3 lvl) you need to spend 12k l-coins + adena a little bit (for each spirit).
    You see how much you need just for EXPING.
    Ok. Let's see how much you can get. Of coarse you getting your everyday gift(20 bottles, 500 ores, 10 storms and 50 soulshot tickets)
    For your everyday gift (SG x4) you can get about 1,5 kk adena(if your're amazing trickster with boost you can get about 2kk if youre lucky enough to be without any people around you). So, if you want to save this 300k what you need for sayha bottles to make a gear (for example, A grade armor +0), you need to spend 200 days if you play on 1 account/ 100 days if you have 2 accounts. /50 days if you have 4 accounts/ 25 days if you have 8 accounts. Just to have a 70~ lvl character with A grade armor without anything. Or you have a nude 80 lvl character (but in reality, as i said, besides sayha bottles, you need soulshots, ores/buffscrolls, elemental stones, storms to take 80, so its more adena, more accounts, more days). Without Talismans, weapon (at all), jewelry, epics, hats, stones, belts etc etc etc. It really cant compete anywhere. Even against monsters. Just here P2W starts.

    As i said. I know Essence. I know how economy works (it's not working actually) here, how you can exping here, and how much you need here. I've seen people with 30 + trickster alts. Just standing on your exping spot, watching guy with nickname "Арба10", after couple hours its "Арба17" , after couple hours else its "Арба25" or something. Its reality. There is no other way to play here without donate
     
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  12. MrCocaine

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    There are some math issues there as L2E offered so many ways to boost your exp rates that didnt include saiha consumption? It took me only 2500 bottles to get to lvl 80 on white server so cut your adena requirements by 1/4th and we get a sum of 80-150kk depends on the price of L coin boxes which equates to 4-8 boxes - which is roughly $15 per box so it comes to 60-120 bucks for couple months of playing? Not bad huh?
     
  13. Macvay

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    which one? tell me. using cake's through making 100500 alts on account(this thing is'nt working now, they change lvlup missions), without vitality? then you will have no drop at all. Oh, ok, you will have also a rune. This **** is reduces your sayha consumption on 20%.
    Oh yeah. You have 20% exp boost with hat. Clan boost 15-20%. Scrolls. Anyway its not 300%. And there is no drop without vitality
    Liar.
     
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  14. Hermeneutica

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    Its simples guy. Do u hate this game? Hate How much are p2w? Hate How much time u loose? Just quit and stop try fear players who dont know yours "conspiracy theory" to dont play. Your strategy is failling
     
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  15. MrCocaine

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    Talisman of aden 50%, fire dragon pendant - 20%, hat - 20%, saiha blessing pot(yellow one) - 100%, vitality stone - 16 % with saiha consumption decrease, agathion with boost exp and saiha consumption decrease, clan boost for exp and with clan dungeons a buf for saiha consumption decrease. I was doing 5-7% an hour when i was lvl 79 plus extra lamps with an off party warlord that was pulling mobs for me. You just have to be smart about how you play. Ofc if you afk farm 24x7 you won't achieve anything.

    Wake up neo - ti obosralsya.
     
  16. Macvay

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    Oh yeah. Talisman Adena +7, agathions +6.. genious
    Sayha pot with no in game ways to get it. Yeah. Really smart
    Just random player with average russian job payment in 1 month
    You still obosralsya
     
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  17. Sayune

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    Why not?
    You also think essence is bad?
    Tbh the guy who said that u need to spend money even for pve scared me a bit.
     
  18. Girl0nFire

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    yo can soulbreaker equip a bow for farm at first lvls till 60? or only rapier is available for this class to equip?
     
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  19. Machinae

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    We don't know really how it's going to be until we get going so wouldn't read too much into other peoples experiences.

    I've set myself a monthly budget of £30 which is typically what I'd spend on running 2/3 accounts on any sub game, with no need to level a buffer I'm happy with putting this level into L2e on one account, if it gets to the point this isn't enough to continue playing then I'll probably just stop, for a long time I've always viewed any time playing a game that I've enjoyed as never wasted even if it comes to the point it's no longer playable (financial reasons, time, just stops being fun)
     
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    Anyone can, just wont be viable :p Soul breaker have only rapier mastery at low lvls, and skills for rapier like "Attacks the enemy. Power 310. Requires a rapier. Crit is possible. hit. Ignores shield defense. Over-hit possible."