Kamael Archer is TRASH

Try pvp against Denvr and you will see, that Arba definitely doesnt need any kind of rework. He hits for 2k dmg to tank with 4k P def and tons of arrow rezists. He is lvl 85 with top items so yea, he deserve this kind of dmg, but its just fine mate. get your lvl, items and you will see, that Arba is pretty powerful is player properly.

 

How much deals other archers compared to him ? Death sting, Lethal shot and so on ?
Would be nice to see CAM's damage from blue side. Anyone has a video from him ?

 

CAM is archer, without dmg for tanks. Denv is pretty strong against all tanks and can kill a lot of them

 

Ok before going to answer bit by bit : Darken, Hell knight hero of Blue server lv 82, he can stand Chappieba. Top tier archer lv 85+. Against Denvfoijn3j98ru2n (w/e is his name) he has a really BAD time.

Now, let's go back to answer the rest.

1) No, i can't kill someone using only Bleed cause it has 3 seconds delay and hit once. Plus, it fails a lot.
2) Lineage 2 common knowledge : Archers Double shot is not really a double shot. It hits once. Your twin shot hit twice. You have chance to crit both hits, fail both hits or crit 1 and fail/normal hit the other. Plus, you have fear that lands 100%, lasts 3 seconds and have 5-6 seconds delay.
3) 8000 is not 3x 3500, that's barely twice. Also, you seems to lack lots of infos there : daggers miss A LOT of blows. Against tanks lv 81+ we can barely land blows. And for barely i mean that on Zergling i fail 9 blows out of 10. How am i suppose to kill a tank that hits me for 3k cause KRs were braindead enough to give EVERY CLASS a "ignore target defense" skill, while i can't land any of mine? ^^
4) Well i got a stun at lv 76, too bad it NEVER lands.

You are srsly qqing for a class that you have no hands to play, while there are classes, like the dagger you like so much, that are hugely nerfed and can't do ****. I'll tell you my point of view, easy peasy.

If you don't throw insane amount of euros to get everything OEd, daggers are pretty much useless.

In past updates daggers were "glass cannons" but we had some skills to survive and our damage was really good. Now, with all this pay to win and changes, daggers are just glass.
Trick and switch removed, not working in pvp. Shadow step is not stunning anymore nor removing target, debuff never lands. Bluff land rate is close to 0, even against players w/o majestic. Blows are bugged, i wont go deeper into details but blow land rate, "full stack, caps at 90%. False. You can easly fail 3-4 skills out of 10 even to NPCs. Ultimate evasion and lv 80 skills are useless, 50% skill evasion (+ passive, 60-70%) that never dodge ****. Hex and Critical wound that fails most of the time, even against players on same level/lower level (and there's no defense against those debuffs).
Ghost hunter reflect is useless when you get 5k dmg from any other class. Adventurer's mirage is no longer "mirage". Only OP dagger is the Wind rider at level 79 with dodge, 70% evasion for 40 seconds every 4-5 mins.
Not to mention that w/o epics your average damage on players is 1500-2000 w/o critical and probably even from behind.
Ginebra is the perfect example of this : garbage player, w/o skill. But since he spends a lot for his char and he play as WR, all he have to do to pvp is to use dodge. He wont get any dmg for 40 seconds and with the power of Melissa (500 HP recovery, no delay) it's almost like he always get an healer on his back. W/o melissa he dies in 4 hits, with melissa it's impossible to kill him. And since he got a good p2w wall, he hits hard as hell.

In the other hand, all heavy users got boosted and now have skills that ignore target's p.def. Duelist got a "cage" that never fail and block you for 30 seconds. Death knights are so broken that even the first random underlevelled can crit 3-5k dmg cause he ignores defense with all skills. Just sayin' : tank with 9k p.def gets hit for 2k each skill. Tyrants can use 3 totems at once, can get up to 20-30k HPs and they can hit you for 3-10k w/o any problem.
Let's not mention mages, summoners and old supports like OL or PP cause they are totally broken. Mage full wit, critting almost every skill with 3x power, making them able to hit 2-3k per nuke even tanks with 3500 m.def. Summoners with summons that just wont die, that hit for insane amount of damage + summoner's nukes with full WIT hitting you. PPs with those OP debuffs that never fails, last 2 mins and ggwp.

This game version is too much p2w, it's not a version for light users such as daggers and archers. If you want a broken class, go play mage/summoner or any heavy user. This is not Awakening version, the old one at least, were classes were balanced and doing what they were suppose to do. I miss the old good days of GOD update where ALL daggers had UE dodging nukes, AOD dodging and paralyzing melee skills and evasive counterstrike to dodge and reflect dmg back to opponent. While having working debuffs such as Shadow chase (stunning) and bluff landing. Also you knew how to build ur dagger cause passive were stating "STR = critical damage + mastery" and "DEX = skill critical rate". Too bad it turned out into a cyrcus with even more p2w that classic/essence version and they fuked it all up. Again.

So tl;dr : git gud, learn how to play and stop qqing. There's no "fair opportunities" in MMORPG. This is not Counter strike nor Overwatch where it's all up to ur own skills.

 

no bro, the power doesn't count for both damages since the skill was modified. Now it does the animation, arrows land and then the damage shows.

you can crit/miss/block/evade/all effects both but the defense of the monster also affects both shots.

IF the skill says 3300 power.

Twin shot split it in 2: 1650 + weapon damage (p/m atk) + (if crits or not, critical damage augment/defenses or reductions ) - target defense according the lvl -/+ (elemental attack/elemental def of the target)

to a monster like the "Farclan lv.72 " in war-thorn plains , with my Eminence bow +7 at lvl 75. i hit 2900*2

If i go to a zone of my actual LVL (the ghost of TOI, 1st floor, lv. 76) i will hit 800*2, the monster has 12k HP. Making it 7-8 skills.

Let me ask you, at lvl 76 did your character take that long to kill a monster?

yes, they are. you have the kamael reference and everyone has the kamael reference because all you see is kamaels everywhere.

Have you seen a human, elf, dark elf Archer using skills? imagine the whole farming area full of archers that 1 shot all monsters with an instant casting skill, bro you have not seen the hell yet but you like to talk about it.

Of course a ranged character will take mobs first than you, are dumb or you think you can drink gasoline to have more energy?

Farmers only create kamael for the mana regen so you only complain about kamaels, because that's all you can see. what you sayin is logic so there is no need or sense on mentioning that. There are a lot of mayor issues in the server than farmers (if you are an L2 player you should be ok with farmers, in fact be thankful they let you level up because when they fix the double-login farmers will be x2... have you ever think about that?). Mages also take your mobs even faster than kamaels, did you complain about mages casting spd ? Bro you have to READ what you're saying before you say it.

You cannot take a reference from a player that is full donated with top augmentations and top jewels +10, are you dumb or what?

Let me get you into the SUBJECT.

The SUBJECT is because the game scheme is like.

Every class ELF Dwarf Human D.Elf Kamael
1st class skills yes yes yes yes yes
2nd class skills yes yes yes yes yes
3rd class skills yes yes yes yes no

2nd class skill of every class hits more or less 3500 power.
3rd class skill of every class hits more or less 6600 power.
The damage is almost doubled, and that is because monsters from lvl 76 have ~1500 damage and from 7-15k hp. so you NEED that damage

Nobody complains about it because you don't see the kamael as a class to play and that is OK, if you don't want to play don't do it. It is not my problem what class do you play and I am not gonna touch that subject because as I said... IT is up to YOU.

Even if it was a mistake or NOT. I spent 2 months playing this class and its the class i have and i like it. Everything was just FINE, i dont like the bow resistance buff but that's ok i managed to survive and overcome the resistance like every other archer did (kamael is a bit harder cus of the long casting of the skill, it doesn't let you hit n' run while other archers can)

But the fact that every class is getting the skill updated and kamaels are not getting skills updated is wrong.
You wont be able to stand like everyone else

Tell me, how would you play if everyone hits 10.0000 and you hit 5.000, same items, same level, how would you feel?

I understand that the guy at lvl 85 and 5000 euros hits good and its at the top. but I am not talking about being the best or having the best equipment of the game.

I am talking about my mothfking 3rd class skill, is it that hard to understand? do you know what comprehension means? no, you cant buy comprehension with your credit card warendo you have to earn it, read, process, think and then reply. YES you can boost your character with your creditcard that's what every noob does, but i wont, all im asking for is my freaking 3rd class set... WHERE IS IT.

I did not say fair, because it is pay to win.
I said SAME, and yes, we all have the SAME oppotunities, you CAN spend your euros to fight those top players IF YOU WANT.

The word SAME means that you CAN do it as he DID.
The word CAN means possibility, opportunity.
If he CAN and you CAN, both have the same opportunity.

Now, let's go back to the main subject, you HAVE a 3rd class skill set while KAMAELS (me) DON'T HAVE.
now let's go back to the english class.

CAN you use your 3rd class set? - YES I CAN.
CAN a kamael (me) use the 3rd class set? - NO WE CAN'T

IF CAN > YES
IF CAN'T > NO

let's not override the sentence.

IF YOU CAN AND HE CAN = SAME OPPORTUNITIES
IF YOU CAN AND HE CANT = DON'T HAVE SAME OPPORTUNITIES

Was skill involved in the sentence? no .
Was money involved in the sentence? no.

so, again. Its not about learning how to play, its not about euros or credit cards.

its about the 3rd skill class set and if possible... the bow resistance.

im not talking about how hard is to get the boss weapon coupon from the golden box at the crafting point system.
im not talking about 1 guys from another server out of 9999999999999999 billions players of L2 that donated and can super crit your *** out of the OLY. (mentioning devheas1232 was really stupid warendo, its like i mention trump to say no one is starving around the world... really stupid)

This is about the 3rd class skill set that WE (kamaels) don't have. i would be ok if i were rapier kamael since mobs have melee vulnerability, or if i was a zerk.

But I am Archer Kamael, with the skill that hits 3300 and the bow resistance, i hit like a lvl 60. seriously, i hit 800 to a monster that has 10-15k HP.

And that is a change that they can make to the game because it is wrong, its like baium being killed in a non-standing place.

Its something that it's not supposed to happen because what it's supposed to happen is:

You lvl up to 76 and POP. new skills and if you don't have new skills because devs are too lazy to create new skills. You get your 2nd class skills damage updated to 3rd class damage.

And that DID NOT HAPPEN. < (this means that the game is leaving me behind, not my skill as a player or my credit card, its the GAME)

xD i know what u doing, this is internet buddy. go hide, nice try :*

Feb 3, 2020

And it's really sad you guys don't understand that the kamael has no 3rd skill set and you know what is worst?

You think it's supposed to be like that. because of course you're not the one passing through the situation. It's sad because the information is on the wiki, you can see it for yourselves and you just dont want to, you choose to try bully me (which is not working at all)

You try to be smart you just cant, the error in the server its right there and it's not about me, it's about the game. you just too dumb to see it, haha i feel bad for you guys. Too hard to read and understand. bye

 

You misunderstood mate what i meant is that archer must know when its time to run/reposition and doing that mounted is pretty much essential in l2e

 

I don’t know about archers, but I know that such aggressiveness to talk doesn’t lead to anything, much less the changes you think are necessary.

 

Can anyone confirm that ? I dont think thats right.....it makes no sense when the twin shot has 3.5k power and the double shot 8k on 76+. that would mean the 1 arrow has 1.75k power and that makes no sense sorry.

 

Well your total concept on lineage makes no sense .

There are Damage calculation formulas. Every skill has different % from different prefixes and suffixes. Power is not really giving you idea of how dmg outcome should look like.

The only proven thing to work is - Go make char - same gear , same level , same skill enchant/attribute /clan skills etc and test 1k skills on coliseum. Thats it.

 

that's not the problem...
the power should be the problem, the archer elf/huma and dark elf get the skill updated so it hit 6600. the problem is that the kamael DOES NOT get the skill updated.

The concept of the skill is FINE because double shot also hits around 3300 (for 2nd class skill) i mean, until lvl 75. they have it upgraded at lvl 76 with the 3rd class quest.

The kamael has no skill update so basically you are 76, 3rd class trickster but you keep using the skill from the 2nd class Soul ranger which hits 3325. So... then you go to plains of lizardman, TOI, Dragon valley, etcetera. You deal literally, no damage.

And i tested the skill lol, i have human archer lvl 40, elf archer lv 40 and dark elf archer lvl 40. they all hit the same than kamael

The problem is that at lvl 76 the kamael has NO SKILL UPGRADE AT ALL.


Every archer has an update of the current skill they use called "double shot" from 3325 power > 6600 power. in addition they have more skills i don't care about the other skills, yes they do hit 8k power but i dont mind that, my concern is that my only, listen carefully, The only skill that the kamael has "twin shot" does not get upgraded, basically that's all i have for pvp, for hunting, for testing damage, that is all i have.

No one will change anything using a post on the forums so i really don't care treating people like they deserve.

I've already explained everything with numbers, with common sense, i tried to use logic, explanations with the wiki, calculations but they still believe that the kamael is ok just like it is. Sooo i really dont care about xHaseo or warendo or any of those guys because none of them has a kamael, none of them know how does it feel to lvl up with a kamael or neither being lvl 76 and experience this situation.


Or why do you think that the "kamael's wave" stops at war-thorn ?

no kamael archer can kill after warthorn and its for a reason so basically if you want a real farmer you can create an orc/dwarf/dark avenger wich has medium-high dmg with great tankiness so you can farm adena in plains of lizardman. you will do 3 times like that than as a kamael archer.

And you have the chance of looting weapons at lizards


Tickets make changes and i already sent a ticket and got a positive response, gotta wait devs but its not sure that the change is going to happen.

You can test it bro, if you want to we can test is right know... look for an archer and we can wear Moon bow +4 without SET or gems.

We can strike eachother and you will see the difference, i already tested it else this post will be a nonsense.

Ofcourse lv 76

 

Kamael lvl 40 twin shot 750 power -> lvl 74 3284 -> lvl 80 3448
Human lvl 40 double shot 1443 -> lvl 75 6331 -> lvl 80 6615

im sorry but for me its the same, i cant understand what your problem is because the power is going up the same way from 40 to 80.
The skill power of the Kamael has always the half of the double shot because the shot counts as 2 and not like the double shot as 1.

 

@Scarecrow won the topic by pointing this out.

Also if we can trust wiki (I did not check this in the game) kamael archer's double shot skill is leveled less often while other archer get smaller power increments more often.

@ChickenWing
You just came into realization that you are weak after you exited war-torn plains.
No, you don't get crazy boosts on any archer or any class by just finishing third profession quest although you get some stats.

This just means that you encountered people who spent serious money and
1. you pvp them and were dominated and/or
2. you watched them kill mobs waaay faster
and then you tried to rationalize this by finding a "flaw" in how developers implemented skills to different archers.

 

Bro if you manage to get some change qqing this way, let me know cause i've a few things those koreans ***** devs has to fix about daggers. 150% blow land rate and feels like 50%.

Anyway, you keep crying like there's only one way to know how a class works...that's not true.

1) I have a kamael lv 72, i'm over war-torn and with C weapon and B armor it farms easly everywhere. And actually : how can it get better after war-torn if in war-torn they are resist bow and zones 70+ are not?
2) Did some PvPs with my kamael and it was doing super good against all same-geared players. I was able to kill necros with few skills as well as any other class since the dmg output is quite strong. And i had NG jewel vs Necro B grade armor.
3) Fighting a class is the best way to sort it out. Arbalesters with good gear and setup are OP. Example from blue server : Dark3n, hell knight, hero, lv 82 vs Darmi, ghost sentinel, hero, 83 with baium talisman. 1v1 oly. Darken wins per kill. And even kinda easy since Darmi's dmg is good but not stable enough. Dark3n vs Denvoijdfoij34jname (i don't know his full name), trickster, hero, 85 with baium. 1v1 oly. Darken got heavly stomped. Chappieba, sagittarius, hero, 85 w/o baium. Darkens lose per damage.

Now, how come he can stand any archer but kamael? How come he lost to a trickster, won to a GS and lost for dmg to an HE? Easy. Cause kamaels are not as weak as you say. Ofc, paywalls are huge, making the difference much more substantial, but in the end, the kamaels are stronger than other archers here. Twin shot power is the same as the Doubleshot of other archers. And even if the name is "doubleshot", that skill hit ONCE. Twin shot hit TWICE. Then if you add the fear landing 100% & Dark transformation lv 2, ggwp.

 

Classic TwinShot hits twice, Essence TwinShot doesn't, I don't know how many times do I have to repeat that I already tested Skills and damage with all archers of all races.

An average kamael lvl 45 does 1200 damage with TwinShot, An average human does 3k damage with double shot.

Even the skill say it doesn't hit twice. i don't know how many times do I have to mention the wiki but you're SO intelligent that you can't even read a ******* sentence and understand what is it saying.

OMG

again, FOR PEOPLE WITH 0.00009 QI.
from the wiki (for you guys to know, the wiki is the source of information OF THE GAME it means that if you search something IN THE WIKI its because ITS IN THE GAME, just as it is, just as you read it.

-------- Twinshot: Releases 2 arrows and deals damage. Power 3533. A bow is required. Crit is possible. hit. Over-hit possible.

Now here comes the explanation, please breath, let the brain have some oxygen.

Releases 2 arrows (that means the kamael will pop 1 arrow and then other arrow to the target) AND deals damage (it means that after the arrows the damage will be delivered and as soon it delivers damage successfully it will be displayed) and then shows you the power of the skill, also tells you that you need a bow and you can do over-hit, critical damage is possible.
It does not say that you will hit twice it clearly say "shoots 2 arrows AND THEN, I MEAN... AFTER, YOU KNOW... " DEALS DAMAGE.

OK now take a deep breath and read the NORMAL, BASIC AND UNMODIFIED TWINSHOT FROM THE CLASSIC,

-------- Twinshot from the classic which is not the same than the Essence if you guys know, ofcourse... because i have to mention everything because you dont know how to read properly:


Attacks the enemy with two shots. Power 3448. Requires a bow. Crit is possible. hit. Over-hit possible.

It doesnt mention arrows, or when the damage will be displayed because its already telling you two shots. what is a shot? OMG what does SHOT mean? I dont know, do you?

Well "A SHOT" has only 2 stages, "Fired and hit" when you fire a shot it has to hit somewhere, and basically that is why the word SHOT is more than enough. its already telling you you will fire twice and those "fires" will hit twice, because as i explained before MR.xHASEO, shots must hit. alright?

Now lets take a quick look at the doubleshot from essence and classic.


--- first the classic: Launches 2 arrows in succession and deals damage. Power 6615. Requires a bow. Crit is possible. hit. Over-hit possible.

OMG what does it says? launches 2 arrows in succession AND deals damage. those are not shots because it doesnt ******* hit twice.


---- DoubleShot from essence : Launches 2 arrows in succession and deals damage. Power 7067. A bow is required. Crit is possible. hit. Over-hit possible.

the same ******* information, guess what because the skill was not modified. and why MR.xHaseo, why is it different for the kamael? omg maybe koreans doesnt know how to translate their own game to the most common commercial language of the WORLD? .

i am sure it must be that way. because they like to make mistakes on purpose. ****

And i keep repeating the same information over and over again, i have proofs, i have wiki, i have tested. but you still want to use 1 russian kamael that is highly donated until he cant even have any upgrade of any type as reference.

omg, you're so ******* smart.

So there are no poor people in the world, people are not starving do death because mark zuckerberg is a super smart millionare. basically that's what you're saying.

I dont ******* care if denver can 1 hit a pk, people from the top 100 cant be used as reference because just with the fact that you invested money so you can have the MAXIMUM gear of the game, gear that you cant even get as cloak of jesuschrist +20. it takes you out from the search. NO ONE can deal the same damage as him because he has items that NO ONE ELSE can get. if he is so great why dont you main your kamael, so you can kill darkin? it sounds like a good idea.

And the funniest thing of your super stupid answer is that you taking references from RED, the server that got killed by 1 clan. yea right, it happened because they're so pro... the fastest cowboys of the west, they take out the credit card and do 500k euro transaction before you even blink. or why do you think they will not create and main a character in blue? what are they afraid of?

Feb 6, 2020

you guys keep saying stupid thinks like "denver denver denver"
But that's ok, I mean...
"this guy tested everything, he got information from the actual game and the wiki, i have to see it for myself because i just cant beileve it... hell no, its true" that is so hard, you just keep mentioning a single donator.

Why dont you try to lvl a character kamael archer as the same time any of your friends lvl up any melee or mage, even supports hit harder than the kamael. why dont you realize that you cant even kill the "guard" that spawns besides you unless you have an armor sent by your alt lvl 79.

You have to stay in cementery until lvl 63 or so because you cant stay afk in massacre cuz of the butcher guard, you dont have the damage or the hp/p.def to endure the afk leveling.
Yes the kamael is a good farmer but it only farm lower lvl monsters. Can you lvl it up to 76 and try to afk in TOI ? I bet you cant, you have to pick your mobs carefully while you watch everyone afk for hours. does it sounds cool to you?

you just keep talking stupid words and and the funniest, you calling my crybaby :B hahahahahahaha i just wiped the floor with your useless breain every time i answer. i just cant believe it how can someone be that stupid.

And you're SO, SO LAZY that you cant even search for the name of the kamael in the RANK, and he is top 1. you dont have to scroll down dude, if cant even do that how am i expecting you to take the time to do the minimum research on the wiki to ATLEAST doublecheck the information im posting here. you're just a noob, you play dagger so you cant be seen while you run cuz you just dont understand that all the people you spend the time fighting against has like 99% resistance to everyting, they're donators... You're fighting PRIDE and bSide... with a dagger, the class with more miss rate on the whole history. Look at those modified armors and everything augmented with top grade stones and probably +10 or more + some resistance buffs. and yet you still do like 20k crit damage but yet you complain about it.

Main that 72 kamael so you know what being underground feels like. noob

 

l2e twin shot

 

That's a total of 4200. If you use the doubleshot at the same lvl you will hit way more than 4200. I already explained that but you keep saying the same thing. its just funny.

Go ahead and test it. I wanna see you post 2 pictures of same lvl archers hitting the same monster with twinshot and doubleshot. Try it, go ahead.

You have to learn something basic from L2. reading will explain you everything.

what you can read describes the spell.

You wont ever find a skill "unexplained" in lineage 2.

And when you're not sure about something, if you dont understand something. Read it multiple times and you will find the answer.

Is not what you see, is what you can read.

If we go to your "logic" poisons, bleeds, flames, should hit way harder than they do. because they show in chat they hit multiple times. your capture does not make sense. And the twin shot skill says it all.

But if you want to be sure, test it. it will take 1 hr as much to create an archer and lvl it up to 41 when the 2nd class gives you doubleshot for human/elf/darkelf.

You can test it against skeletons in cementery. 1 hit from human/elf/dark elf is what it takes to kill mobs at lvl 45 in cementery.

Using a kamael, you will have problems. not to mention that the "passives" from kamael are few, maybe 2 or 3. And the res have more than 10 pasives helping them a lot. but right know im talking just about twin shot.

(by the way they took kamael's passives away) just to mention

 

well kamael is **** , then go create other char :/ ez as that , save your sanity mister

i posted that picture just to make clear that twinshot hits 2times and thats all. That was my point.

it doesnt matter if you are right. crying here not gonna change anything. Go complain to koreans and show them your knowlegde maybe then you gonna have a chance for any attention.

 

one more to the trashcan dude, you post something and when your point gets wrecked you say "i just wanted to say something else, not about that" it doesnt matter if you're right? Crying? im not crying dude im basically teaching you. It does matter if im right or wrong. the why you posted like that "l2e twin shot" what do i have to learn? if you have the guts to say something like that, have the guts to admit you we're wrong.

Sigh theese ppl now days.

For you to know, i do more sendin tickets to innova and talking about it in forums than going directly to koreans.

(again teaching you things)

When big companies have resellers they dont offer customer service to the customer of their customers.

to make it all clear, Koreans > Innova > us.

We cant talk to koreans. we have to talk to innova and they talk to koreans.

Koreans does not support customer service to EU / RU. they provide a service for innova. And innova provides a service for us.

It works just like a cellphone company, a brand powered by Tmobile is not the same as having Tmobile even if you're getting signal from the Tmobile tower.

you tellin' me to learn things but you know nothing, im sorry

 

its okay dude you da best.
https://4gameforum.com/threads/756987/ here some discusions at ru forum about arbalet for other peeps

 

i dont know how to translate the forum