We are playing alone and then Special Kids...

Hi everyone, I started this topic mostly to raise awareness on the effects that the behaviour of some players have on the server, but also to get some feedback on what most of us (the players community and GM) think about this.

I doubt I have to go to much into details since the issue with Special Kids clan seems to be well known, but personal oppinion, highly ignored or definitely not taken into consideration as much as it should.

The main questions of this thread are actually: Do we afford a PK clan on the server at this point and do you agree or not with this behaviour and why? and for GM's would be: Where can one draw the line between "this is the game" and constant abuse, harassment and bullying in game?

For those who are still unaware PVP is indeed a part of Lineage 2, every old or new player understands this(or should), but certain repetitive and damaging behaviours to the community are usually punished firstly by the players base and ultimately by the GM's if they continue...now everyone knows the members of the clan Special Kids, kill everyone indiscriminately of level or desire to PVP just for their own fun (generally targeting parties to be honest)...in many environments (gamming environments inclusive) this would be seen as damaging behaviour and treated accordingly, specialy since it happens on a daily basis...for me personally this is a good example of harassment/bullying since I noticed many players fear to call their gamestyle for what it is thinking they might be next on the list.

From a server perspective, here is where we stand and why I personally think we clearly cannot afford a PK clan or even endorsing such behaviours:



Data was collected on 09 August 2021, 00.00 GMT, and it shows few things considering the server is 2+ years old....
- trustable active players pool is roughly 1000 (I'd reccon more like 500-600 since some chars are old toons logged in few times a week - might be less);
- parties are destroyed (check number of support characters) and if going forwards this way it will be impossible to rebuild them....given the number 110+ or even 115+ of party only supports (sigel/aeore) on new content few will manage to do something;
- the number of solo dd and Iss shows that everyone is playing solo with an Iss box and probably later on asking why server is dead;
- PK clans should be a definite NO, actually in this situation (as seen in the numbers) everyone should get together and be more supportive towards new players otherwise they will soon wake up that all their investment in the game (cash and time) will worth 0, because even at this point the server has fewer players that many private servers and surely the number will drop.

SO, DO WE AFFORD A PK CLAN ON THE SERVER AND IF NO, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?!

P.S. For any GM reading this please explain exactly where you draw the lines for harassment, abuse and bullying since your position is highly important for regular players which still want to enjoy the game. At least we know where we stand...here or somewhere else.

Yours sincerely,

LuckyNo7 (Lvl. 107 Sigel Eva's Templar - still tanking Ketra like a boss, thanks to the right party also)

 

so your solution is to ban 50 of the 500 remaining players from the server???

someone please insert a well behaved aj applegate picture here.

mate dont be like the noobs on discord please.

 

Honestly a temporary ban can be a solution, but I brought this to the forum to get a feeling of the server's oppinion and mainly for me and others like me who want to enjoy the game content to know what to do. I might actually adopt their behaviour if the result is that "it's all fine" and wipe the new starters areas while ensuring my transfer back to US servers.

This is a place where even them can voice their opinions and state their reasoning, but as you can see they will soon be alone on the server, them and their fans...and they are not 50, they are 5-10.

 

You can say thanks to lineage 2 devs, which made this game like those idle mobile games where u can be afk all the time, before it, you would be active in game and wouldnt care much about their pking or could atleast have a chance to fight them. Now you have what you have, no point to blame SK for things which was and still is part of game.

 

I think you forgot one answer... I dont really care if they have fun pking around, i just res and keep doing my game... i mean of all the things to be fixed or that could be done... this probably is the least relevant..

New players dont need pk limitations (plus pk is the wrong wording since it isnt even pk because of abusing of aoe skills when afk) , they just need a better market and more useful events.

So there should be a third option of those who dont care.

 

PK/PVP looks like it looks... SK play own style and its nothing wrong with it... There was already shyt loots of drama about that on discord... This topic will change nothing. In my personal opinion we should have even more clans like SK so there are more wars, more fun and mby less afk macro play...

 

Indeed you do make a good point, I should've considered a "don't care" option but I assumed if not interested ppl will not vote, simple as that. Many things to be fixed and many have been destroyed over the years, the point was not another QQ post as many tend to see it, the point was, is this good or bad generally for the server at this point in time...

Personally I can easily adapt to a PVP server and as some in SK noticed I actually enjoy a good PVP without QQ...exactly as you, I ress and move on if overpowered or fight if there is the place to fight...but current player stats on server do show a certain issue or tedency...so I was just checking on this to see the overall feeling of it, as many seem frustrated by this in private but openly they would not say anything, therefore opening the way for them to voice their opinions even at the cost of being misjudged or misunderstood.

 

LuckyNo7 I do agree pk is rly annoying but it was a part of this game since the begining...17 years ago ish( first release of the game). I think players got used with that by now.
Players quit this game because of a multiple facts but in principal:
-high demand of money and very slow progress of lvl to actually play
-high demand of money and very slow progress of lvl to actually play
-high demand of money and very slow progress of lvl to actually play
...and so on.

Another thing, by forcing players to macroafk 24/7 NcSoft and most mmorpg games cause a great negative impact against environment(if necesary I can explain but I hope you are smart enough to understand).
Im trully sorry to see NcWest company go against green trend, I always thought coreans have one of the highest respect for enviroment...this is not the case anymone.

 

first:
- theres no cotent. if ppl dont realised by now that they are traped in a cage where they cant actually play, im really sorry for them. devs limited the numbers of mobs and xp a player can have. the only way to bypass this is PAYING HEAVY, and since theres no influx of goods inside the game, most of the guys doing so bought stuff on the black market.

examples: cant lure of mob or it reset location, predetermined group of mobs with 6 to 10 units per giant farming zones but with a few groups, bosses with X amount of hits barriers, same XP range frame no mater level difference from mobs.

second:
- no market contet also, 90% of the stores inside the game are selling or buying things that no one can get inside the game unless someone extract them from l2store, or things that are almost impossible to try and most of the players dont want to gamble from it.

examples: +21 or more enchanted weapons, +10sets, 7s talismans, scrolls of blessing r2/r95/r99, level 5 jewels, kain scrols, destruction scrols, 6k ultimate jewelry boxes that may gift 1 item need to upgrade brooch lv5, cloaks, enchant cloaks, coupons, etc.

third:
- theres no longer a game to play since since korea decide to kill the game and innova was ok with.

examples: people were on constant improving line even if they play few hours a week, there was noGgrade, D, C, B, S, A, S80, S84, lots of places to farm, different xp range frames from differente types of mobs with multiple ways to hunting them, various types of drops, various processes to acquire game currency, bosses, etc.

we had a better game when l2 had a cap at 99 and nothing that anyone say ll change this fact.

I was use to drop few adena into lowstuff from AH like R/R95/R99 stuff cos in my mind i was helping the new players with some adena income, then i realize that theres no new players and if theres any out there, they arent farming those items cos the game dont let new players farming those. all the 103/105 areas are full of alts farming adena and nothing more, sad but true.

personally i think im holding this bone just cos of some money i droped on it, cos really i dont see any reason to keep holding onto it no more.

 

Guys, we all know the issues and even I find myself disappointed on how the game developed after 8-9 years since I last played actively, pretty much at pro level (and that doesn't mean winning an oly and being hero for a short period, that means understanding the game and mechs to the bits), but here you are and here I am , given the conditions we should try to make the best of it, if not for others for the money and time invested by ourselves.

To be honest most of the changes in the game came by popular demand or due to players like ourselves looking for an easy way out (exploits) as we all remember the armies of bots back in the day, but even in these conditions we are still playing and we should focus on what we have. Personal grudges against NCSOft or Innova or whatever should be irrelevant here and no matter how many think that solo farming is the best, from certain levels active constant party farm trumps solo by far.

Another eyes opening fact (I hope) is that growth get harder by each level (exponentially to be exact - everyone can test that at lower levels), therefore beyond the pvp factor (proper pvp not random pk on low levels and/or afk parties like these kids do), we should all be interested to protect an environment where leveling is possible, here is below the average time needed for level 108 to reach 115, based on the experience of my main 2 dd in my party, given the following conditions:

last exp event > 1200% vitality bonus > full swing party farm in ketra pots, full buffs on > 2 weeks to reach 110 from 108.


If you expect to continue playing this game further and ensure that you'll have the player base to play with, protecting a leveling friendly environment should be our main concern and to put it bluntly as former passionate Lineage 2 player I find it sad to see that PK clans are somehow openly accepted, they never were, at least not on servers with a proper, stable players base that understood the difficulties of leveling a toon.

Support characters are dead as figures show (those figures are taken from rankings on the server at the date quoted) and if someone doubts the usefulness of support characters, here is a good starting point for you to understand how usefull they are > last night myself, an active lvl 108 tank (LuckyNo777) managed to tank in Sea of Spores, a lvl 115-116 area. My ability to do that didn't cost the DD in my party any resources and due to my active build I now boost the dmg of each party member by 10-12% but I did the math and can push it to about 25-30% (from hex on skills ench etc.). On a 4 DD party, my input as a tank adds another DD while opening farm in areas where you would not reach solo so easily - aka farm efficiently.

My main question and purpose of this thread was and still is, given the slow progress in level (even in amazing conditions like those above), lack of active supports and mid-late game active players, do we afford a PK clan or even random players on server that have as only purpose slowing the development of others even more and/or forcing new players to quit the game in early stages, specially given the fact that they are clearly aiming for parties generally.

When you cry about the game being as it is now, think about what have you done to make it otherwise and check that after 24h there are 130+ views of this thread, 10 votes, 6 of which agreeing with PK behaviour...the other 4 are mine and 3 ppl from my constant party. So qq less on NCSoft and Innova and do more to improve the quality of the server... can't care less that you've spent the equivalent of a car (PrideBrasil) on trying to get a Majestic Brooch Jewel, if you would have invested the same efforts in building a party you would have been better and a lot cheaper.

 

nobody quit the game cos some especial kids where killing your alts man. get over yourself.

ppl quit cos the game is pure garbage, simple as that.

 

Is that based on the amount of people you've spoken with about how they feel about few kids running rampant on pk, or it's just your personal opinion?

No one is killing my alts mate, unlike many I only have 2 accounts, Titan turned Iss and tank as it was needed active in the cp...don't assume everyone is the same...talk about getting over

 

man i tried help ur thread, now i ll just ignore u.

new player with pve set? new player with dw weapon? new player with 1200xp boost.

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sure. new........no mastercard...........no blackmarket........no l2store abuse.........sooo new......that hurts........... jesus.........dont know where i saw u talking about investiments..........roflmao..........great joke..............your doing great...........keep the good work. great clan/cp. super yeah, 4dds u said, only 4 NO votes........hummmmmmm...........hummmmmm.............

high five! byebye!