[11.02.2018] Community Feedback on everything

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After quite an intense discussion in one of the threads, I'm creating this one to gather ideas.

Known things which are already discussed and addressed:
1) PA value with Elcyum<->Fishing nerf
2) L2Store prices
3) Dragon clicking
4) Server population
5) Adena/item drops

Spoiler: Current status on those

1) Reviewed and discussed, and you can participate by giving ideas on what to do with PA.
2) Lower prices are not possible due to many reasons (adena/eur ratio, different territory, devs not approving etc.).
3) Still working on it with the devs, looks like we had a good progress in the recent week in explaining "da main problem", but I won't share it until we reach something clear. Our main proposal is to make it an old-school PvP ground and to increase dragons' stats.
4) Tons of ideas here would be very hard to do without certain changes to the game itself, so we work in several directions, including negotiating with the devs on some game changes, still, you can give suggestions.
5) Simply increasing adena input will only lead to inflation, so this needs a serious rework on core game economy mechanics.
One is already being addressed - nerfing the "item-to-NPC" process (which nobody likes, but it's necessary).
Another one is balancing the current drop ratio, so people could gear up in the current content and not farm outdated Zaken to support "item-to-NPC" process. Devs are working on it.
Discussing this would be hard as you don't have statistic data on the overall state of the game economies on Core and Ramona, but it would be interesting to hear deep, thought out ideas on possible tweaks.

Anything else - feel free to share your thoughts. I'm specifically interested in:
6) How to help new players stay longer and join the top content

But if you think there are other issues, feel free to express your thoughts.

And before you jump into the conversation here, let's repeat the basics:
We (L2 Team at Innova) can't change anything related to the game without the devs, but we still can send them requests and ideas. So PA, fishing, L2Store balance, dragons, jewels, drops, main/dual/race, clans, quests, etc. falls here. Yes, you can complain/suggest about everything listed, but you can't demand Innova to "fix it asap" on our side.
We can organize/manage any meta-game (outside the game, but connected to it), community activities like PvP-tournament, forum contests, experimentarium, event previews, creative squad etc.

Now, @BeFair promised me 1000 ideas here, don't disappoint him

 

Any possibility of p2p server with no brooch/tarots/sayha l2store? I think a lot of people prefer classic not because of chronicle but because it's not pay2win like Core/Ramona.

 

Change exp table after 105 let us hit 108 atl

 

1) Someone made a detailed spreadsheet how much adena/10k shots are we losing on average. Elcyum needs to be bumped or bait price lowered to break even. The "passive exp" is not worth it after a certain lvl, reddish box neither (99% time give worthless shots, rest is a maphr potion).

2) More focus on the little guy? After all it's better for 1k people to spend 1 euro each than 1 person spending 1k and make 999 people complain/ leave/ get 1-shot
. Also more resilience. 1 person having a break or quitting from those 1k is nothing, this 1 big spender leaving is 100% loss.

3) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

4) 5) 6) There is a big "drop hole" between lvl 87 and 97 (technically 100 as 97 aren't allowed into balok/ tauti etc.). There used to be things to farm between levels. I remember having full attribute r95 set ready at lvl 93/4 from playing my main (mostly). Now people hit 99 in immortals, join a lvl 100 instance, get 1-shot and have option a) go negative on irl account b) quit c) make 400 boxes and spend most time transferring gear between them, not playing their main at all d) trade (and look at a spreadsheet instead of playing the game). Neither option is appealing.

The things you can farm on your main and not alts (idk, let's say dim. gap) are part of the tarot system rewards and players can't compete with those. Yes I got a lvl 5 vanir after a month of farming, but that item is basically worthless when l2 store offers a lvl 15 one in a bundle...

 

P2P model requires a different game balance, item supply, and many other things, and at the moment the devs don't want to support P2P version of Main Chronicles.

We keep asking the devs about that, but so far no success on this matter. We'll keep asking though.

 

What i dont understand is, u can change the Dragon System cuz its asked by the biggest clan on core, which is up to devs right? But u cant change l2 Store prices which is asked basically by Every player on the Server? It makes me feel like 1 Big Clan > the other 500 Players

Back to topic:

After 99 give +6 R99 Sets with 120x3 Attributes ( this will not influence anything on the Server, since with those sets ur still oneshot in pvp, but atleast the players can focus on PVE with this )
Its good that u can farm EOD ingame daily 2 of em, but whats with GE ? They basicly only from Chlanhalls, eihter make more events with those or let us farm 2 of them Daily also on every char, to boost up the Brooch craftings .

 

who doesnt let u farm oly with 1005000 chars? for those 2 ge?
u making brooches or every box u have to lvl5? ^^ dont be kidding.. so waste friday and saturday evening 3.5h for farming ge and u can make 20-30-50 or even more at 1 evening (depends on how many pa acc's/pc's u use for that) - 1 char 10 matches takes <30min so in 1 day u can easily farm 2 accounts with only 1 pa thats 28ge..


about sets thats a good suggestions to give each person who hits 99 a set r99 3x120 for 2-3months to gear up (like was in event which gave set boxes which could have been used for 6months+)

Feb 11, 2018

at topic..
1- would be good to make fishing free and nerf elcyums reward like ncwest did that would be best thing possible (still ppl would have opportunity to lvl up boxes if needed to 85 with fishing, but farming elcyums would be same as now..)
2- well.. things must be changed because now its not "fun to play and support server" its more like very very expensive hobby.. u need like 40k euros to make full geared char (double it if want lv3 dragon wep).. (while at ru even with l2store prices 2x cheaper ,they can gear character up to same level with 4x less)

3- its perfect now.. ppl cried before changes, they cry now, they will cry after old system back.. and that will just stronger to be stronger.. 1 side in server = servers total death.. now its th +en shows up sometimes for some pvp.. if it will be just th (or other clan) then no point to even try something

4 - probably cannot be helper with current situation on everything: l2store, current population, age of server, age of players, age of game and etc..
5 - must be reworked from core.. best way would be bringing back full craft system like was in old chronicles where u could spend few days and make an it u want (dont compare to t2.2 and above with dynastys and etc, those can be compared with pvp/pve if u want u can farm stones for long time and make it, but simple gear r-r2-r95-r99 should be able to make normaly and not like now, when u get key materials/rcp from instance/mobs but no leathers and other materials for it to be even slightly efficient)

6 - thats probably impossible.. if u meant top content as top pvp/sieges/dragons and etc.. if they dont donate there is no way they can stand against top sides.. pve wise (instances/open field) could be considered with some "paulina" gear r99 or maybe even pve for 1 month
best way would be:
when person makes 99lvl he gets 30day set r99 3x120 - which is more than enough to reach 101
when he makes 101 he gets 15 day pve set 3x120 - with some l2store investment on xp runes or more than 2h/day could be made in those 15 days to 103
when he makes 103 he gets pvp set 15 day - can feel the difference with it and without and could start farming/donating for it to happen
then ppl would see how it looks with those sets and etc and maybe would consider in farming those to stay competetive (or it can backfire and more whines come in because 15day is not enough even to feel how it goes)

 

This is the only way! .........i may add a way to ban that software that some of the people are using, **** that is undetectable by your current frost security.

The rest is just false dreams.
PS: But we all know is not goin to happen because Innova= It's All About the Benjamins

 

Well Cmec, i dont ask about 2 GE from oly, since u can only do it at weekend, i asked for a daily process
If they make it like the EOD so u could make 2 per toon per day with low effort, u could make in one day with just one account 2 yewels for 10 mil, that would help everyone , no?

 

Here, I fixed it for you.

so did or didn't?

 

But really, thank you for your suggestions, I do hope we can grain out something useful for everyone here. @BeFair, @cmec1

 

make dragon siege zone and it would be perfect

 

Strongly against giving stuff "for free" as crafting is already destroyed as it is. Instance/ drop rebalance+ timed (15 day? a month?) r95/r99 gear as part of adventure guild questline should do the trick. So people have both level and the gear to farm permanent set. Atm. they have the level but no gear and no way to farm it.

 

only make spoil and drop rate normal back / change this 0.000001 to 1% maybe that will help all to gear and make pplback
actualy you need pay if you want make something in game and for that you lose 80% of server

 

In every high level zone turn 1 - 2 spots to pvp zone with increased rewards adena/items/spoil.

 

if your company's management realy want to help Lineage 2 Community , why they do not want to accept the fact that Pay to win is not they way?
Its ok for making fast money every time a new server is opened because a lot of hope and dream came along with the new server and they invest in l2 store, but after one or two years the server becomes unpopulated.

As you may know when lineage 2 first launched it was Pay 2 Play with a fee of 13.99$/month and you also had to buy the game that cost around 50$. With a server capacity of 5000 Players that gain an income of at least 70.000$/month.
And also if you remember like i do the lineage in that period of pay 2 play had a lot of servers because of demand for them.
There where servers like (Sieghardt Lionna Gustin Hindemith Bartz Kain Erica Devianne Teon Franz etc.. dont remember them all) but i know at some poit there were around 13 or 14 servers at one time.

But the point is as long the game was pay 2 play and all the players where treated equally the game was an success.
Once L2 store was introduced the declining of the game started. (because the players where not treated equally)

So the only way is to reinvent the wheel .

What would it cost setting up a server and hosting it for 1 year with maintenance included it won't cost more the 5000$ and i'm being generous.

Ps:make a pool and see what players think of making a p2p server.
:editing a server making him even more custom made is not the way for that are private server for.

 

?? Isn't every spot beside pve instances a "pvp zone"*? Also there used to be "spot with increased rewards" already, what ends up happening is the strongest clan farming it 24/7

*especially with so many people on macro, flag and wait 5 seconds.

 

she already answered you. They are developing lineage 2 in a way that you cant gear up w/o l2store. If u r an architect you start to draw from toilets.
NC develops lineage 2 from l2store. You just cant start server of a game made on l2store w/o l2store .

Feb 12, 2018

i mean combat zone. Zone you enter and dont need CW, flag to get killed. Everyone would like to farm there and pvp. You couldnt join some treehousebandit etc

 

1) I strongly feel that making Fishing free would be the thing to go for, there are players playing the game only casual without buying PA account and you guys disabling that its just bad business as its the same when you switched off for non-PA accounts path of balthus knights. sad move
2) You need to find a way to balance l2store with making farm events such as draco event,letters and so on if its impossible to change the l2store prices
3) The way it is right now u would think that all the clans could potentially enter dragons because its click festival but since thats not happening then start thinking about the possibility making the area pvp zone
4) i dont know, once again how about start introducing farm events like the ones ive said above so people can farm up-catch up and not quit after paulina is over
5) no idea, considering u need trillions of gear to be competittive and the new players have close to no adena to spend for consumables then its time to realise lineage its going to die soon and thats on you

 

Most of the people played and grinded this game for 10 years or more in privates, old EU/NA servers, then new EU server etc.
So all that pre 85lv stuff should be done in a day, because now its just an annoying job in a way that you have to do. Lvl up main, make dual, get both subs to max lvl for those sub skills and make nobless. Everyone did that content so many times and its not interested anymore (ppl who are interested, play in classic).
Next is journey from 85 to 99. Paulina sets are great, but now ppl complain that there are no parties around to lvl up as server is old and everyone is 100+. Add some super duper runes or make solo kartia to give loads of xp or other L2store option to lvl fast to 99.
After 99, like some ppl suggested give temporary 99 gear to get started. And if you started with you temp set and couldn't play that month enough to get your proper gear, there should be L2store packs 7day or 30day with 99sets (same for 85lvl stuff) and weapons for reasonable price. So if I lost my temp set and need more time to gear up I can buy it from store and continue., because other wise they are stuck.
Now increasing adena drops will not help anyone as prices would just go up, you should increase drops of r99 items so new players can gear up. As of this stage of the server if you don't have pvp/pve +8++ set you are not cool. How can you make new ppl to get these items? Maybe add extra drops for pve/pvp armor stone, increase enchant rate till +8? +8 stuff now is only mid gear anyway on the server.
L2store... most of the ppl don't want to pay that much and devs don't want to lower prices... so who wins in this situation? Prices on L2store are really high and what is even worse, that if you pay 75euro for 50 tarots you will get 1 okayish item and if you lucky something else... It's like you go to the restaurant for diner, pay 75euro for 3 course dinner with wine (fingers crossed), but instead you get cheese sandwich with coke and if you super lucky you get snickers for desert.. That just doesn't make sense.. If you pay that much you should get good items.. (And it's 75euro, server is for EU and how many countries in EU has average monthly salary of 500euro? Just saying...) Can those packs be revised? Like remove all that consumable **** and add them to different pack, if someone needs those they will buy that pack instead. Make high chance to get pvp/pve armor stones, royal, enchant scrolls so new ppl can get their sets. This game is all about progressing with you char, lvl and gear wise.
Remove bound items. Why devs make it so hard for people to have few main chars? Now if you have you main with shirt and lvl3-4 brooches you dont want to start and new char and donate again.. You could transfer brooches, but its just not worth it if you still want to play with you main. Those should be tradable without powders, that would make them much cheaper and new ppl could afford them in the game.
Playing on you main char. Make those low lvl bosses like zaken, freya, frintezza higher level and maybe change drop a bit so you would not need to make loads of boxes and can enjoy your main char.

There are many people playing in private servers because they can progress to the end gear and get their shiny items.