Bring Evolutionary Road Back.

dont bring rev road back? :d smile comes when i read such words. people says "now, before" remember times when almost everyone xp w/o ss till time they got some adena? no commons, no shadows? nowadays players got free iss buffs, free items for coins and still complain..

 

back to these days you are reffering there was a supply of b a s s80 gear by dwarves...now i don't think there are many dwarves willing to craft this kind of stuff...even if they do the cost is greater than the adena a newbie can afford for gear. that's the greater reason, so stop living in the past

 

no, i do not refer to "these" times, i refer to fresh servers at these times with no server economy build up(no sh*tloads of unused items @market) and ppl didnt complain, they just play. i understand every chronicle its worse for newcomers but they have to adapt not act like begger and demand something.

 

you must also understand though that most of the players cannot spend thousands of hours per day to adapt easily to this...most of them would see the game very unfriendly for the newbies and they have nothing to lose if they leave. don't tell me that we do not need this kind of people. what would be the server without noobs(=newbies) running here and there? =)

 

i still don't get what is the problem for lowbies. even without raids it is easy to level up. you have equipment in shop up to a grade. to not mention most of the classes are leveling really fast even in c (which again - costs 0 adena)... if the lowbies are doing their one time quests and dailies they ll have money. if they farm with party room open (for raid), noone will kick them from party if they are in c, although most of the people doing raids are having gear, because they are subclasses and made their gear without evo road and still have it. also there is shadow weapons... is not like people can't buy them, because they are expensive...

 

shadow is up to b grade.
equipment in shop till agrade... hmm yes. a grade weapon costing 20 million, how do you suppose 'newbies' will get that?
dailies give what, 200k each ?you suppose someone will level in 50 days when the 'real game' effectively starts at 85?

you can defend current system as you want, say that it's very possible to do it in these conditions: yes yes, it is very possible but that's not only question that matters.
is it a benefit for the server to exchange evolutionary road for this ? no, not even close, evo road was much more welcoming to new players, and that, for an l2 server, is the blood of it....

 

lineage 2 is not only 85+. true real game starts than, but it is and down there before 85. otherwise why to not directly make char and be 85 ready to play? the pre-85 game should learn the players to play that game with all it benefits and minuses. to learn better their classes (indeed the game is changes after 85, but a good pre-85 healer cant be bad 85+ healer)...this includes and hard equipment. about money... there are academies, that are paying to level up(there some clan should change politic, due to now academy is endling at 85 and it is better to help their lowbies). i met a dagger, who had more money than me at level 83, and i m 95... this game was never about to play alone. we were leveling crafters and selling shots back in c4+. this was not making the game bad. i myself am enjoying playing my subs sometimes even if they are 80. if there is a wish, there is always a way.

 

but guys, dont you think that ncsoft have changed the system with equipment etc so that people will start leveling dorfs for crafting etc again...some of you say "yeah but we had shots and crafters back then" yes, but the person making them had to level them in the same conditions as everyone else.
alot of "old" players remember when they had little adena and even with shots on dorfs they still leveled without shots to save adena for equip.
it would take some people a year to max level their character because there were no chain quests for low levels or daily quests and instances to run, it was a grind fest, we had to do 1st class quests that weren't a simple couple of clicks as it is now, 2nd class change quests same deal, 3rd class quests that would break your nerves, noblesse quest chain that involved so much running around you were exhausted just watching your characters legs moving.
when goddess of destruction came so many people were crying that its too easy, they wanted the challenge of old times, they wanted some systems such as crafting that became obsolete restored and thats exactly what ncsoft are trying to do and yet people are still unhappy.
we were all newbies once upon a time and a majority of the long standing players here were newbies when this game was an awful lot harder to play, yes its a little bit harder for the newbies with the changes to the reward system (bear in mind alot of us played and leveled without any reward system and we did just fine and managed to have people in top levels and gear in next to no time at all and it was harder then compared to now) and yes this game needs alot of hours of dedication to play it, but thats what lineage 2 has always been and will likely always be, it was never designed to be a one day and your top level hack and slash game for the casual one or two hours a day player and this game has been running for what 11 years? (counting from korean release) and yet to this day we still get "newbies" starting and staying.
as for the amount of coin rewards, there is nothing to say that after enough feedback is recieved by ncsoft they may adjust those levels in the future as they continue still to this day to adjust the costs and material amounts from update to update so people just need to chillax and remember that this new system is in its early stages, and the new update is also in its early stages so the crafting system etc will take some time to re-establish which is no different to a new server opening and you having to wait for a market to establish in the first place.

 

the 85- content is just there as a remnant of the past and introduction to the game. it is our equivalent of a 'tutorial' more or less. more and more 85- areas will be upgraded to higher levels ( next in line is hellbound, this chapter we already had cemetary and orc zones, also catacombs and anakim/lilith will come back as 85/90 raid bosses, not 80 as before).
there is no 'good pre-85 healer', because there is simply nothing that will challenge you in same way that 85+ areas can, like teredor/soa elite minions.
what does a good pre-85 healer do? not let party die ? that's quite easy when basically any member can tank any 84- raid boss without dying.
making people suffer a long path to 85, won't make them better at the game, just think the game is terribly boring (for those who are just trying it...).

i completely agree, that's why i think the game starts at 85+ when the party playing actually starts, not before.

if you are talking about ncwest and their pta: no. they provide full gear and soulshots, just with no vita pots/nevits.
people will level dorfs for spoiling/crafting... maybe yes. but not for s80 gear, when the mobs that spoil mats needed to craft it at are level 95...

this is completely irrelevant to the subject matter, as we are in god... comparison to the past won't achieve anything at all, it's not even an argument except 'hey we survived, you can do it too'. yes but what is the point... ?

the challenge is to get 99/99... not to get level 85. that is the 'top level'. you're mixing 2 different things.

 

this should end the discussion before it really started. if they can do that, they don't need evo road. it was not suppose to be easy in first place.

deep blue is talking about ncsoft korea the developers, not the ncwest, the hosts.

exactly. we are in lindvior now, and it has gear system quests, craft, and challenge till 85. so stop living in god, and move to lindvior

the challenge is to go from 1 to 99 not from 85 to 99.

 

i checked this new system and yes it need to give you more coins, i were 61 level with 400 coins and something close to that and couldnt even buy and a grade for those coins.
on b grade i run with shadow weapon for 1kk and armour plated leather set.
upset is that ncsoft removed luxury items and no evo road :/

400 coins i think, really ? if i not have send 10kk from my main char i couldnt progress... shadow weapon over and gotta back to hit with c grade without shots on 61 + spot haha :d
after i hit 61 i just exchanged those trash coin for aden reward boxes.

 

yes i was not refering to ncwest in any way whatsoever, i said ncsoft for a reason and to clarify ronove im talking about all general changes to official content made by ncsoft, their aim as recently stated in an interview with their devs is that they are trying to revert back to some of the old systems which we had before god therefore living in the past is exactly what we need to be doing as the developers themselves are reverting back to previous states (allbeit slightly refurbished versions) especially when one of those systems is the crafting system which would be rendered further obsolete if we continued to run systems such as evolutionary road alongside another inbuilt reward system, the players wanted a crafting system back and your going to have it so dont cry now that you want the get-free-stuff way, your all so fickle lol

 

and before lindvior we were in glory days, and we had evolutionary road, and evolutionary road was an addition to the game mechanics because there was a need for it. what we are discussing here is if it still is needed. but i am glad at least we are on same page as to being in lindvior and not in 2005.

sure, except getting to 85 is not even 1% of getting to 99. but yes ! if you look at it from that perspective, even getting to level 2 is part of the challenge, when you only have to talk to 2 npcs.

crafting system obsolete by evolutionary road ? that's funny. did you ever level past 85, or does the game end for you there, if you don't see a need to craft r99?
no new player _ever_ is going to craft s80, even dynasty i can bet you on that. why? for the simple fact that the mobs that spoil the mats are 95+.
now you will tell me 'oh that's what clan/friends are for!'. which friend/clan will help them farm these mats if with 0.1% chance, in the time to craft them they would just make them 85 and get them cheaper and easier r-grade?

stop deluding yourself with 'oh there is a system to craft gear for lowbies' and 'oh there is a system to get gear for free for lowbies'.
both are useless, crafting will only be for high levels, let's move on with what worked in the past.

 

so why r u crying here now?
make a post at ncsoft.ko forums and explane it all there as a player .......

 

we're talking about putting back evolutionary road, this is what innova can do. posting on korean forums will be useless, they already have enough angry koreans to deal with, much less listen to 'foreigners'.

 

what if they can"t do it? i mean, look, even to create evolutionary road before it took a lot time for them, with lindvior something changed in files and blah blah, so they again can't use it and need to think new way..
they had problems before and when lindvior lounched they didn't find the way to recreate this feature, don't forget, they hosts and they can't change and edit files of it.. and they old plan of doyng this died on lindvior launch.

 

that was not they (horatio specifically) said.
https://4gameforum.com/showthread.php?t=16175&p=113390&viewfull=1#post113390

 

what i can say, i raised a toon and it's just lol when collected coins was not even enough for my reached lvl weapon... not speaking about armors/jewels... fail system... anyway gl newcomers on hardcore lvling now feel the lineage2!!! :>

 

+1

please everyone dont speak if you didnt leveled a character up to 6+ level after linvdior update
on 63 you can barely have on b grade weapon (low b grade clean 30 day only unable to put sa)
so instead of bringing back old evo road, you or them should rais the coins prize ? oo

i know, those coins can be exploitable throug aden reconstruction
so i guess nothing will be done