yea but i do think this discussion went way too much onto the "l2store win card" side. I dont think anyone here disagrees when I say that L2store is too important and affects pvp waaaay too much. So this discussion about eating high dmg or not eating high dmg (because of l2store) is a completely different one and not one we have to debate because it is true. This discussion should be more about "equal gear vs equal gear" -> how hard can hands make you win. And I do believe at this point that together with character setup this is very important and affects the outcome more than some people like to admit here. I would much more like to hear @DefNotMits or @NotBrah opinion because they have been playing with and against geared parties. (No offense to the rest discussing here but none of u is even remotely stacked) I also have 5 recent pvps vs/with Mixed (stacked) TH grps in coliseum (7v7s brez and 7v7s no brez) both from archer and sws pov. I will consider uploading them after I have reviewed them and got consent of the rest of the participants.