Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

i told you, your dmg is not so super strong friend :d amethyst did kill ppl on purge, same as inzanity sometimes.
ofc i was not stacked with pvp set to see amethyst dmg on me back then, but you probably miss more than just b.valakas and pvp weapon; first place or 2nd place agathion, 7signs, 16 ap, lindvior, oe'd weapon, maybe some more +10 skills on nukes -> just a few examples.

on a side note, you have 3 dd's on your party -> a 3 healer setup has no tank to protect them and once 1 healer dies, you could **** up their purge and then everything will go downhill, trust me on this one :d

controlling a 3 healer setup is indeed not the easiest, but as long as perma purge is not up, that setup is heavily attackable by a good party/tank/summoner. (if your own party provides some tankiness ofc)

 

well the truth is amethyst was hitting typical dd / tank from crits on pow for 30-100k on purge. now u have much more ebuyers who have not only pvp sets +7 / +8 but also b. anthy / b. valdy and much much more.

yea if u put on yourself such **** jew like b. zaken / b. baium and later be suprised why stacked feoh hit u for 50k+ and u watch pvp from the ground ))))

nemesys u are not right. sacrifice and pt ud is not enough to make tank more usefull than 3 healers. 3 healers is top counter for several classes: wynn / tank / archer / warrior / iss.
tank will give u only like 30-50 sec time of peace (and still debuffs can reach u and totaly disable for example) and later is useless trash. if all ppl play with 2 healers then i wouldnt say that but game mechanic show how is working for soem classes.

and imagine ncwest where they have now eva runes which giving 20% coldown xddd i heared to stacked ee healers reach 18 sec reuse on mass cleanse ))))))))))))))))

 

purge has nothing to do with dmg, you are only without debuffs, so if someone hit you with all those stuff you said, like 16ap, boss jew, 7s talisman etc doesnt matter if you have purge up or not.

and when healers on core start use single cleanse (not even cleansing magic backife on oly my god ...) and dont play with 33k hp, maybe you wont need 3 healers in pt to survive. and for those who said tank sux for pvp ... have you ever played proper pvp?

yes we did reach around 18 s cooldown. what is wrong with it for people who play with 3 healers in pt?

 

iliactis was useless after uds i agree.

 

then you need stacked people to counter incoming br from mages if you don't have nocturn or cele up. those few moments might be win or loose. also in this situation tank can play offensive and be a perfect ma

 

it's pretty simple that a good tank or summoner can figure out stuff like cleanse orders or first rez etc. interrupting one of these can very fast turn the tide, because then more than 1 thing will just not be done in time anymore.

even if there is a gap of 1-2 seconds between cleanses, tank or summoners can interrupt a person exactly during that gap, resulting into an increase -> healer gets silenced or pulled, 2nd healer after wont have purge ready yet -> dd's or healers can start dying in a matter of 1-2 seconds with debuffs on, especially on rhapsody.

 

tank nor wynn can't gives orders for cleanse!!! it's job of one healer. you should always have main healer who ask for cleanse, cele, party ud, rescue etc, never someone else! ressing people is job of iss or tank at first and in good pvp party people talk so you always know who get ress etc. it's all about communication.

and if you wonder why - it's healer who see how much dmg party gets and who is focused. no one else can do such a stuff. tank is annoying **** in pvp, wynn is cc no one of them should call for such a stuff.

 

i have 2nd place agation and 16ap and skills ofc +10, ok i miss livindor and 7s, but amethyst also didn't had this, imo he could do dmg like neme wrote but few months ago, i hit strong only to ppl without pvp sets, one example your last pvp with alarion group where ppl had mostly pvp sets it was somethink around 40 min? and how many ppl you droped during this pvp? mby 5? so where was inzanity and amethyst 100k on purge to stacked ppl?

 

wasnt only alarion grp and they all had pvp set/parts on them. ofc not many ppl died, but i dont recall any1 having pvp weapon on that pvp.

i meant tank/wynn can figure out the cleanse order of enemys duh, ofc healer does the support managment.

 

ofc, but i'm only pointing this nonsens with 100k dmg on purge to stacked ppl. if you wanna check i can borrow pvp weapon, livindor and 7s tali and i bet that i will not hit for example poison for more then 20k on purge.

 

haxito u dont knwo what items we had so shut up. 4 ppl had pvp sets (at the very end) and rest usualy normal not even +6 (randomm, isiss, cart00n, iliactis) so stop this ****. and u can make your uber theories about how tank is usefull against 3 x mass purges as long as u wish reality was other. anyway have fun with this discussion idk for what we doing it since on forum everybody knows everything and ig it was impossible to make any pt vs pt (dunno how it is now but acording to ppl who coming to our clan not rly much changed)

 

the problem stay still.
the fact that onlyfew guys in whole server are able to survive more than one hit and its because and its because they have a set that its worth 3 months of paid house or even more is the problem, ok, ofc, ifyou are stacked you should hit like a train but come on, onehitting everyone? syra without buffs hitted me.more than one time for 140k and i was buffed and with wizard and she is not that stacked comparing to other feohs, playing tank and getting 140k dmg from someone that doesn't have buffs it's kinda pointless tho, iremember when i could even fight back some heros as tank or at least hold their damage for a time without uds or so, but now, without and ubergeared tank and even some times with it you still cant.

 

tanks are fine. mages are supposed to be glass cannons though, which is not true anymore.

 

no tanks are not fine if for their proper work u need to use **** jew and then feohs 1 shot u or your debuffs wont land cause u have no proper jew. u should know this absurd long time ago.

 

b.anthy, b.baium, beleth, b.orfen, pvp set.... i dont think they will 1 shot u more often than others...

 

and. b valdy maybe too? yea kinda common items for avarage player, makes sense ))))))))))))

 

but u started to compare tank with zaken, freya etc vs full stacked mage. im just telling u, if both chars are on equal equip, tabk isnt 1 shotted more times than any other char...

 

lbend remember when we had 3 healer setup, i was never agroed once even tho i was inside the lines. either theres no good tanks in server or simply purge will not let a tank break ur balls.

as a tank i spent 40% of the time agroed on myself, cant sacrifice properly cause hey for 5 seconds i am stuck on my own target.

agroing a healer can be a terrible idea at times, simply because if u agro urself, it hurts more than agroing ppl that cannot reflect it.





and for the wynn i ask other ppl..havent people realized a nuker has better cc than wynn? while holding 4x better dmg, having burst every 1:20 seconds and better survivility? have u ever seen a necromancer with petrified pet + talisman?! no, cause the dip****s never thot abotu trying to go better than hey give me a ****ing +8 pvp weapon to own instead of using their ****ing brain to improve.

"a good wynn", wth is a good wyn that cannot do more than a nuker? why you believe nukers are so overplayed? stop living in the past when mark of trick was 100%, when a exile meant something, when there wasnt para, when nukers debuffs never landed and when agro was 100% land rate.

 

even on amc there was resctriction agains 3 healer pt's...

 

what your healers do for that 5 seconds then? you want use ns? ask for cleanse if they are not able cleance you by their own.