Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

he is mad since i send him here location on map . so everyday creating new random excuses how he is osom and how bad i am. ))

 

whats your nick in game? i only remember one hard match vs summoner (appart from cowboy and nairoby) and was in 3 bridges, i forgot to use unbind after dispa and got to 30-40%~ hp from marks+exile, but i can't remember guy's nick.

of course everyone got better or worse days while playing l2, and for sure i could also show matches i lose in oly, problem is those matches i usually lose because of my own mistakes, which i already know after match ended. and just for the record, my w/l ratio vs people who appear in my movies is positive or 1 (nickmgs 1:1, kasyra 1:1, nairoby 3:3), only "open" farmers i got negative w/l ratio are riordian 1:2 and hax 0:1.

 

cloudofdarkness, it was on lindvior, so several months ago, i generally keep track of who i win on rly bad conditions (for myself).

my mark of trick interrupt ur unbind and u went 1 hp( or at least low enough so i didnt even notice ur red bar above 30%). as i saw from ur match with dontcry, he didnt even land a single hit on you nor try to defend himself when u were dispa/flash. cant consider him a bad wynn, just in the moment something could've happened that threw him off

 

ah, i don't remember but it could be the first month i was hero or the month earlier, lost many matches then as i was more nervous than usual when doing oly

anyway archer vs summoner can go wrong for archer at any time, just need to land 1st mark of trick. i remember a match vs nairoby where he landed mark of trick and my unbind+disparition+ue didn't work.

 

well yes bad fights can happen nobody argues on that, but there are some general tendencies i mean, also yes wynns can pretty much end fights vs feohs or yuls fast if mark of trick lands (always can happen)

 

why do people even judge someone and base their facts only by propaganda movie, where only some highlights, best moments for author himself is shown?

 

i don't think your ideology about bots is correct. i prefer the way, what was silently applied here after kardi group got banned.
it was players, which revealed some details about programs and core players were making pressure on them.
also now, some ppl are afraid to use programs.
politics at ncwest is same. no discussion about programs or ban. how it looks there? how it looks on polish servers? i guess, from official servers, situation with illegal software is best here.
for sure, i don't wanna say, none hitting here or none using software in pvp.
as it was mentioned few times, even today, some specific players doing things, which are not so easy to do. when u hit some specific players, other players hitting u almost instantly. or few days ago, i was logging my friend dagger. i went to hb on hide, jump on enemy healer and enemy mage from same party just target me instantly and killed. i got explanation from party, he is very good targeter. ok. can be. realised it just 1 time, so cannot say they using soft or whatever.

also e baying. another forbidden thingy. why gm team don't work with community to catch em. why they don't make some agents to catch them. it us not so hard to find some illegal sites and just catch cheaters....

 

@logy,

i'm not sure what point you are trying to make here ^^ - you say the players revealed details to us, and we are asking that players reveal details to us just using the correct process because we do not take bot reports from the forum, we take them from support tickets and that way there is no risk of it being "over-looked" because of the fact part 1 of this thread for example previously went to 350+ pages (before thread clean) and you really want our staff to spend days scrolling through thousands of posts "just in case there is a bot report" there? or would you rather they could simply look at all related reports tied together through support tickets and be able to get to work investigating them and getting things dealt with quicker?

be serious please...our advice and request is logical and has reason behind it - if we believed every single blabla post that xxxx was botting without substantial evidence provided to support for us to investigate then 90% of you wouldn't be playing here xd

about ebaying etc - who says we don't have a team investigating that?

and once again for everyone - the process behind investigating botting/rmt/exploit claims etc are not as simple as a one button push, it is a lot more complicated then that hence why it takes time for the team to deal with these situations.

 

he is and 10x better than you

 

sorry i ll copy patri on that one.

 

to deepblue

i wanna say, some kind of pressure from community can be usefull. look, its more transparent and it make some pressure on players. when everyone will be silent, ppl will start cheating more and more.
i don't know why, but u are trying to hide everything and than it looks like gm team doing nothing. prevention is really on very low level. its my personal feeling. i'm expecting bigger prevention from gmteam to be honest. we can barely see posts like pazak made 2 days ago at twitter.
for me, biggest tool in prevention was 4gameforum and power of community, and their attitude to somehow stop cheaters and ebayers. our community has 1 sided opinion about so called nova storm and cheating.

 

i don't really know the main reason to keep ban/bot/ebay etc. discussion out of forums, but i see a problem you can get.

example:
x is botting somewhere, people start commenting it in forum, asking for ban blablabla. gms will always take some time to see the post as they got other work to do (petitions, for example), and it could be that x (the botter) is watching the forum, which will tell him that some people are mad because of his bot(s). he/she might stop botting for a bit (until everyone forgets about him), instead of gms checking him/her and banning (30d/perma) if the petition was made privately to gms, as x would not expect it.

 

mmmmm i have idea for avoid voices "gms doing nothing", to calm community. maybe make thread "punishments" or smth like that, and there gm pazak will put nicknames and reason of punishment. im sure ppl will stop crying about gms activity and so on.

ohh my cthulu, my english is so awesome :x i hope im understable....

 

@logy - no one is trying to hide anything, we are trying to get you to follow the right process so we can actually combat these issues - if you can't see it then it is your own problem i'm afraid and no one can help you with that but you.

@troy - another valid reason (not the only reason) for why we want things done the correct way - yes it is easier for people to be caught if they do not know they are being watched - yes it is easier for them to avoid/turn off programs etc if they know we are watching them because xxx people shouted about it on the forums - people who use programs are usually intelligent people and always look for ways to avoid being caught.

@mitsubishi - i'm afraid that is impossible, it is against privacy policies for us to name and shame individuals as penalties are considered private information between the user and innova, we made this mistake once in the early days of the server with spezion and we wont be repeating it

/mod off

upd: omgad - did we all just have a constructive conversation? i think i will faint....trollollollo

/mod on

 

be archer in previous days was easy(despite the gear...), but be a real he wasnt that easy. target control, kitting and etc.

muahahahahhaah

this...gear dont give hands, but gives power. any lolmage nowdays with good gear can **** ppl by just spamming skills.

u forgot u had bless weapon...

 

logy> i dont know what alarion spoke in his pt channel (ts) but on global voice there was nothing embarrassing. the point was a member made funny gif and everybody laughed because they took it as a joke. unless you. you had to come with your fraps to prove you with your clan are the best and only one. a proof nobody wanted or needed. and this i consider embarrassing.

snowyz and rest> you speak about bans and bots all the time. you say "we all know" ... but for me who are "we"? community? i doubt it. ba members? maybe, not all perhaps. what i see you accuse ppl of botting and you speak about bans over year but what you have managed to achieve? you were not able to convince a single gm about it otherwise alarion would be banned long time ago. not a single person but you automatically expect "we all know". i know 1000x repeated lie becomes the truth but it does not work here.

 

get a clue dude... they dont need proof, he just did the fraps for the lulz, since you guys lost verything.
yes, it's "we all know", bs members(that ofc will deny), ba members, rg members, and other non top clans members too.

 

you can say 'we all know' as you can say 'sources tell us' or 'its rumored that' or any way to state something as truth without having anything to support it. you know... celebrity magazine style journalism. :d

 

i dont want speak about bots , but we all know that troy bought that char with blessed +4 retri ( freya apparience)
deny it pls . pure e-bay .. so what ?? propaganda we can say.

 

did u watched video? u really think it was serius video? it was hard trolling of bs, especially from mockimo. hi cart00n

no i understand your point. but im asking, is it really good way, especially when we know from the past how it over at ncwest with same policy.
everything what u wanna do is repression. u wanna from us to be silent and just report cheaters. dont speak about it at all. and u will investigate just situation which will be reported. without any kind of prevention. nothing. actually people will not even know, if u working on banning bots or not.
simply if u report, we will investigate and we will punish them. just person, who made report and person who got banned will know about it. rest of community will think, gmteam dont care about cheaters.
at the moment, 4gameforum is unfortunatelly just only one tool for prevention. and to be honest, not so good tool. it can help only for some players, which dont wanna loose their good name at server. i know, it will not be really helpfull agains e bay bots, some randoms. just some top players with good name can avoid botting, because they can loose their good reputation.
but gmteam can bring to game much more tools for prevention and also harder repression.
some tools prevention can be:
1. gmteam can be more active in game and visible in /gmlist. its well know fact, when people will see gm is online, they will not use software so frequently.

2. gmteam can port between well known botting spots and searching bots on their own. they dont need investigate just reported bots. and also inform whole community about it via gm annoucement. if gm will be active, ppl will not bot there. they will not risk. botters paying for programs, if they cannot bot properly and often, they will not buy programs.

3. communicate more with community about bots. convince core players, gm team wanna start war versus bots. give us informations about banned ppl. we dont need names, but some informatins about banhammers can be really nice.

4. any other ideas for sure we can find.

repression:
i guess, general problem is, penalties are really low. 30 day ban for toons 85, which were botting is really joke. i think, its needed to follow money. who is main owner of toons and who spending money from bots. thats what matter. if u will just ban some 85lv toons, who cares. they will make new toons and bot again. they will make always some profit from it.