Core Daily Discussions Part 2 - Clans, PvP, Olympiad etc

For sure, you do not even realize, what i am talking about. I do not hate the donors, and do not have problem with them. My problem since first talk always was that, this game gives too much possibility to become a donator. The gap between super donators and little donators (i mean normal players) is too big so game mechanics push them to the unending donations. Most of new players do not have a choise, do not have other way to be enough close to the others even while of hard 2 or 3 years playing. With donatios and donator all is fine, but it need to be limited, others players need to have a chances to be on same lelvel of equipment. Offcourse not like in 1 month or 2 month, but after a year need to have chance to stand against super donors and fight with them like equal with equal. This game needs more content, where strategy, skills, better cooperation are important. Those things should to decide about results of mass pvp or castle siege, not in 100% better equipment.

My only one problem with donation was not with a current donators, was just about Innova which gives them new possibility to donations. While you start write about me and call me donator, just ask some people which can know my story in game, then talk.

I did my first bow +11 with a huge lucky. Spend on it just a 6 billion adena. I also made my armor +10 with lucky, did chest from 0 to 10 using only giants scrolls, without any additional items to help. Before re-roll to archer also playing on this server few months and participate on fish event and other events later. Buy lot of items and sell it a few weeks later. On fish events catch Antharas Earring, Valakas Necklace, Tauti Ring, also buy from others players for 1 milion adena a bottles fragment and make it with low costs blessed. From Tarrot get Tauti Ring (sold 7 bilion adena, my Red 99 card sold 4 bilion adena) and many other items, some luck, some over-enchant it let me have items like i have now. (still much more people have better than i have)

Never said and try hide in game, that i do not donate and never used l2store, i said it few days in other topic. Offcourse i did a bit donate, but compare me to the super donators from EvilNations which buy theirs characters is a huge misunderstanding.

The biggest problem for this game are players which wanna play for free, have an active game masters, active game support, many games updates, but do not wanna pay for it even a singe cent. In my private opinion every single player should a bit donate sometimes, should pay for a product which he already uses. I felt bad while playing for free, take a product from innova, demands updates and new game content, but give them nothing back. Not so many people give a small donation, so they are forced to push people to bigger donations and keep server and game alive.

Try care more about game and server, then maybe Innova stop put into game a overpowered l2 store content. Thanks and sorry for wall of text.

 

Well right now we have crappy server quality, crappy support and a game full of bugs, do you think it's worth donating ? To be honest that's the main reason why I don't donate more than PA and a little bit more, Innova simply doesn't care about our server, they are just happily milking their customers who like this game too much I'm not blaming anyone, it's very tempting to put money in the game to get easy items.

 

The ppl who cry about donors are just the ppl who want donate but they cant cos no money or mom dont let them.

 

Poor women such an activity should really hurt.

 

Yes Kengaa party has 7 people all with all brooches 5. This naito though is joke of the year it's ok to donate as long as people don't donate more than I do. Cool logyc , maybe you should contact innova to put l2 store limit according to your job earnings. And thehorde doesn't have any people who buy toons, no one bought a toon, right Mitsubishi? Right Steven? Grond? Lexxxi?

 

I said u can easily make party with 7 x 5 brooches... While we cannot even in theory since we dont have such a brooches / players... U have lot of them... well but difference is getting closer and closer... just matter of time when we gonna improve more... even now ur CP is dead 60/90 minutes of PVP...

 

Mitsa wasn't there that's why they got rekt.
Mitsa plz come back 'cause EN rice gets less every day passes and internal problems will soon start.

 

Can you please name that dream team party with full brooches? Cuz right now only people I can think of with full lv5 are trigger and avatar, maybe taka but I'm not sure what he has exactly.
Soon.

 

for the new to learn and the old to remember

 

best bought toons eu, btw 3 of those are leveled inside clan by ourselfs, dont know who mitsubishi bought but i doesnt really dont care tbh its almost as usefull as lexxi the box

 

I don't really care either im just laughing at this random who was recruited in Aden stairs and thinks he suddenly became someone who matters in server.

 

Don't talk for allab like this. You ll hurt yunalesca's feelings and she ll come here to flame.

 

whos allab? someone made new char or what?

 

My logic ? I was the first person on this server which use l2store ? I did it, because many people did it before me so do not leave a choise for me, also like i said before. We need to pay Innova for this game if wanna keep this game alive - for me is no problem pay for nothing, just to help stay alive a things which we really like. I did it on many other non-profit ideas and get nothing. Think before you say something. I pay for the fully free and public team speak server for the gamers, every month since 2010 year - do not believe me, check it. Also my donate not cross the limit yet. Simply can do it again and again, but this is not the goal of this game, thats why i think it should have limit somewhere. Other players should also have chance to play against donator, thats why it needs to be limited. Never wanna be better than others players thanks to some donations and do not felt bad with that.

I can support ideas which i really love, but do not like if company which i wanna help, also say thanks is too greedy. I am not a ram, so also have my own rational limit and simply can say, no more. My messages are just informations to them, that they are very close to the red line.

Best option is balance for everybody. Players need to pay for game, but game need to be friendly for all players and supported by publisher. Then all players be happy. If you do not understand what i mean, be nice and do not comment. Thanks!

 

So basically you are saying just because you don't want to donate more so must everyone else. Who says that the amount that you donated , if you even need to donate, is enough to compete? Lol this guy.

 

I told you, do not comment and do not provoke me, if don't understand what i am saying. I know, that my english is not so nice, even broken but still is communicative. Some people on this server donate this game 10 000 or 20 000 euro and kill 99% other players by 1 shot. This is normal for you ? They should not have a limit to make this game works normal for the others ? Not for me. Many online cooperative games is limited by equipment, first of all you need to learn game, need to get equipment, but someday everyone have same knowalge about game, same items and only skills count. This is the things which really prove who is better or best one. Not just the euro in your pocket.

All the topic you are trying prove to the others who is better, but the truth is only one. Item playing here, not your skills. The winner is only one. Clan with more numbers of super donors. This is wrong.
PS. No more discuss with you, i felt like talk with ... (can simply finish it yourself DefNotMits)

 

i think the major problem is that region is not good enought for the prices they put in l2store.

 

I think some of ppl here miss something call "Pay2Win" to "Pay2GetFaster"

Pay to Win - Simple Example: World of tanks.
Paying to buy items that you CANNOT get by normal playing. Items allowed for ppl that only donate.

Pay to Get Faster:
Paying to buy items from others players that got it by traditional way. In L2 there is no items that can get only from donations THAT ARE NOT TRADABLE.
Every item that is from donations. You can get by Adena. So, I buy 50 tarots and all what i will get from them you can buy from me.
So: You still can get items by farming adena. If you want to farm adena or not that is not my bussiness.

Just getting big lol from ppl saying that "i didnt spend any cent on this game" well good for you. but its your wish to not spend. Becouse you dont have money, dont want spend money ect...
Some ppl smoking 1 pack per day or even more. Some ppl drink alcohol every 2 days/more/less i do not do any of this so what is problem i gonna spend 10-30-50-100e on game if someone who smoking can spend even 3x more than me on game?
Do i go to everyone who is smoking and tell to him "You are a god damn donor" becouse he is smoking and im not? C mon.

If someone is donating its only his bussiness not everyone poor child that can only check others wallets and cry someone donated.

 

well, wot is actually pay2getfaster.
for what you pay there:
Premium account (you also can get it for free, just for playing good in clanwars or/and participating in tournaments). So basically you need to be skilled player. But you probably one from tomatoes with <400wn8 and 40%wr...
Premium vehicles - with those you earn more credits and more expierence for your tank crew. thats it. also you can get those also for "gold" what you earn from tournaments/clanwars in game tech tree. btw those premium tanks is worse than regular ones.
or you talk about "gold ammo" who cost gold (idk which idiot will buy that ammo for gold... ) or 5x more than regular shells. so yes. it's wot p2w... (that was sarcasm)

and now about p2w. best eample - Lineage2. especially this server. now you ask me why? here is simple answer:
1- if you want play solo you need buffer. buff box means you need PA account.
2- you want go fishing? buy PA account.
3- almost all events is based on l2store. that means you need €€€
4- some "end game" gear comes from where? yes you right l2store. like abudance talismans, or shiny shirts etc. ok you can get shirts for adena, and try OE them, but it's too expensive and it's very very very very low chance to make those even +6 or +7.
5- prices in market is based by l2store events.

so tell me. which game is pay2win?

edit: to be competitive player in wot you need to play good and use your head. learn some knowledge and then you can be good even against "top players" with high personal rankings, while in l2 with basic gear you can't do even kartia solo. not talking about wining vs someone.. for example i have lol gear, +6 set, +7 pve gun.. i win against some randoms.. but when i meet someone with +10 pvp set, +12 pvp weapon, 4-5lvl brooches, etc i can't even pass their cp. so think again about p2w. and for the end.. this is 2 different games.

 

Totally agree to your opinion.