Grave vs Defro pt - 7 vs 7

dagger is for lethals and split dps (phis / magic) + epic stun. (otherwise full pt taking wizard harmony w/o any doubts)

tank will die with "mental / para jew" from any feoh in few sec. his debuffs will be useless for 21 sec out of 27-28. only pt ud / pt rescue is not enough to call him usefull.

 

the best case scenario, but it won't necessarily be true all the time. you won't go all in in first minute, you would rather wait a bit, if healer is not cautious and gets caught in snare or stun if it's late even by 1 sec with purge. then a tank role comes into play. pt ud/rescue is good enough to call him useful, if you don't have anything to withstand incoming burst damage, or lets say, safely ress other people/reposition yourself.

 

for 7v7 if u have 3x eva saint with +8 light sets.... its prolly best setup.... but if u have casual healers in robe sets and not eva saints with reuse around 27,28 s.... tank can do his job, but again tank need to be extremely stacked... if it should be on equal equip, for sure 3x healers are better.... but on core if tank can wear top para/mental jewels and healers dont have, there can be problem...

 

tanks have **** like reflect and until mages wait out his cooldowns to keep a tank down, they will take insane dmg and problems from enemy party.

dagger is just useless lol, you dont really need lethals (only good vs heroes anyways) and on top of that mages just hit more and higher and better (they also survive better -> jump vs daggers and high mdef vs other mages)

using knight on any healer is just no go if you fight 1 dagger lol



@logy: 3 evas saints on +8 light pvp set will die one by one on mass cleanse to max 2 mages pvp retri :d light set is just terrible.

 

the thing is 3 healers party force a massive gear check and thats why it is very good on our server imo since we only have a handful of pvp weapons. you need to have the gear able to take out perma immune target or else you'll just fall apart since there is very little room for any play (2-3 seconds) if you need debuffs to kill them. it also force you to face perma immune dds.

if your dds are able to pass this wall, then 3 healers party falls apart very easily, yes. but it is a very steep wall to climb (if you playing anything other than feoh anyway) and thats why its popular. maybe it'll change in the next update though

 

if they will be with seraph jewels and mages with blessed valakas, yes i agree. on equal equipment is simply best combo.... thats why it was blocked on amc... on live u can outplay with equip difference... but still dropping full stacked healer with 11,5k m.def and pvp set is extremely hard

 

if all of them on b.antharas+ 7signs then maybe it'll be hard to drop them, but if 3 mages have the same (3 crit jewels+b.valakas+16 ap+pvp weapon+7s+longing) then on 3x double cast any healer focused will be dropped down if hes on +8 light for sure. (for testing purposes: +8 pvp light was not any better vs mages than a +66667 normal robe set with pvp shoes.)

 

dont say mages say necros. otherways its not legit from the point that 3 nonnecro mages will be wiped easy

 

well yea necro can be really good but if you have a sph on full pvp set and 7s and b.antharas (with hands to use his jumps ofc), you will just still not kill them :d and 3 stacked mages will burn any dagger in 1 sec max :d

 

these theories...

 

i agree with u. in final its all about this.