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Useless to play tank ?

Discussion in 'Archive 2.0' started by Anagoria, Jan 12, 2015.

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  1. Nehel

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    nop i couldn't make it that day.
     
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  2. Hax

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    i was in that party and let me tell you that 3 healers setup simply is not the best way to go.
    i do agree whatsoever that it's very good in mass pvp but in 7v7 or small scale a tank is definitely better.

    remember the only party which was able to face us properly ? yes alarion party; and why? because amethyst destroyed our dds/healers on mass cleanse.

    if you can get killed during mass cleanse, a tank is a better option.
     
  3. andrius3022

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    7vs7 ofcourse 3 healers are stronger, but in mass pvp. lets say 49vs49 and above.. tanks are the must.. you not protect party with ud's/sacrifice, but also good timed agro makes several enemies dds useless for few sec (see time when no purge - aggression aura+full reflect or ud/ignore death+time and run into 50 enemies to distract them :)), not counting that with good jewels (better then coc:) ) you can keep almost perma silence/stun (with sk even para)on 1-2 enemy healers/dds when they have no purge/angel/mystic immunity.

    at least thats my experience as a tank. :)
     
  4. Tahlia

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    I like playing tank, I have a Sigel Shilien Templar but it is hard to get parties unless you start them yourself as people seem to think a Tyrr is a tank and you can take that instead. ATM I am playing an Eviscerator and am having a fair bit of fun with that but I think I'll always be a tank at heart.

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  5. kTaRn

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    Not easy to play tank those days, some instance are just impossible for us (Octavis, Warp) but we are still needed for some other (Istina) and everyone wants us on best spots (Loc / CR). I'm casual (1/2h max playtime per day) but don't have so much trouble to find parties.
     
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    As a range DD, I like to have a tank in Octavis, otherwise I spend way more time to kill it, being medusa or bumped.
     
  7. WineGod

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    tank is useless, but if i play DD class i will be too OP.
     
  8. AdrianLFCs

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    Vs a 3 healer setup a tank is limited to using cds, noble sacrifice and spam bress on a eventual dead party member. Once the enemy's purge rotation is interrupted you can do more things with it. There is another thing you can do, sit near a party member that is focused by mages, ignore death and take off jewels :). On NCwest there are so called "Eva Runes" which reduce skill cooldown by 20% if i remember correctly so having 2 EE in party would be more than enough to with the purges.

    Seeing you posting in the "class section" is like having the worst kid in class trying to show the teacher how it's done. So far you haven't passed the "how to make a lvl 99 toon the legit way" test so untill that one is behind us please restrain yourself from poluting the forum

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  9. WineGod

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    any important boost incoming to tanks on next update?
     
  10. Yunalesca

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    worst stoping cheating!

    but ill tell u secret, paladin and evas templar only viable tanks, gg
     
  11. WineGod

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    well obviusly paladin is the best aura on current update (yuls mode GOD ON). The other SK and EVAS auras are pretty good also... and HK... well dosnt look that good on "paper" we will see when i reach lvl 101, around 2016 xDD.
     
  12. Yunalesca

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    Well the HK aura is flawed (as much as i like it, its not designed well):
    -It doesnt equaly lower the dmg of both magical and physical classes

    -It has low aoe range afaik, which means you must stand in certain range of DDs for it to work, but most DDs are ranged, this also means that whenever your focusing to shtudown a support class your aura isnt doing anything, and when your close to your own supports the ranged DDs are away, so again, aura not working, and it barely afects daggers due to the easy atk speed cap and p atk being not so relevant on daggers

    -It has big delay, unlike many games where aura effects are instant even for pt members, these auras on L2 have a pretty random and unreliable time to take effect, so by the time u get close to someone, it might not work right away.

    -Purge, speaks for itself, theres always some form of debuff immunity happening on PVP.


    Only solution to make it reliable is to make it bypass debuff immunity and increase range aswell as change the m atk/ p atk modifiers to %DMG reduction, which sync with the gameplay of "agression" from HK which wants to stay on enemy lines to further disrupt the dmg of enemy party.



    I dont like SK aura, SK is currently the best PVE tank, that aura is ****, which is normal because that paralyze is insane and stupidly agressive/defensive.

    Other 2 tanks will get the best out of the deal in next update, most protective tanks, and might actualy change the meta of 3 healers to 2 healers and 1 tank.
     
  13. WineGod

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    what they get this other 2 tanks in next update?
     
  14. Yunalesca

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    m def + p def buff on both auras
     
  15. WineGod

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    shame of ncsoft rly. they kill tank class so much.
     
  16. EUPHORIAL2

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    Tank is love, tank is life.
     
  17. TTRLE

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    Hey im playing tank,Sigel Phoenix Knight in concrete,i must say that in low scale pvp and mass pvp the tanks are very good. I dont do much mass pvp or low scale pvp,but when i do,i save the day of my team mates.

    And another example is the character SAGA,who laugh at us using his r99 equipment,while we,dagger lvl 86,healer 87 and two archers,one at lvl 99 and other at lvl 101 trying to kill him in two past weeks aden siege. He resist like a demon,we dont have the balls to kill him,20 seconds of hitting him and nothing happen,later his teammates arrive and we died like rats.

    4 chars,and we havent the balls to kill the tank,using backstaves,dark attacks and hitting with heavy arrows. Tanks OP.

    Other thing its in PVE when tanks are not specifically necessary. Im lvl 88 now,maybe i talk too much,but its my feeling about tank in PVE,tanks in kartia are not necessary in most cases. But hey,maybe on raids are the best,never did a raid +85 lvl nowadays...
     
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