SA and Augment

......what am i reading?

You are wrong in so many ways and about so many things...that i wont even try to explain you :|

 

teach us master plz

 

oh ya i want to hear it too master... i dont play daggre.. but that doesnt mean i didnt play one and i dont know how it works.. and if u say otherwise i think u are one of those "pro" pvp daggers who can kill only 3x lower gear having ppl, and on equal terms go hide and bsoe at first chance

 

Cmec, you are wrong in some parts like:
- "str doesnt affect 2x dmg at all", it does.
- "it increases it by bit since patk rises", it does "a lot". Before lindvior it was like that, after lindvior it change the way you say, thats why the best archer was elf full dex + old skills. After ertheia, it changed back, and it's way better to have +++ str and p attack and 70 dex is the best break point.
- "i can imagine only 1 scenario for archer to go full str, thats if he exp's solo and needs more skill reset and thats only 1 time when full str is explainable.."
Tottaly wrong. Like I said, things change, and now having 130+ str is very good and needed. Thays why kamael based archer is the best archer now. Huge attack speed, huge p attack, giving a great add in dps formula. Following by elf, but bcuz of the attack speed and easy 70 dex.

xHaseo, best dagger of all times:

And he suffered it 2ice, there's other one in the fraps.

 

Skill dmg formula with patk didnt change a **** since lindvior. People just had too much **** weapon for patk to be releveant.

 

hello u too

 

How bad i am losing to a guy who had my same p.def naked and all stats tripled compared to me,i'm such a shame X'D (kinda old video tho,still funny to watch anyway),but i guess...can you win him? aw

I'm such a low dagger that i can kill people with +8 sets,kelbims/pvp shapers and better jewels than me. But there are abysses (?) i can't overcome. Like deadpeople/zargherot. Or 21stcentury. All players noone of you can win,but i mean...i'm haseo,how dare i lose to them? xD

As for this,i really hate to repeat myself,but your lack of knowledge is really bad. Teaching daggers how to play would be bad tho,the thing i love the most in core is that most of you are all gear and no skills...you know "+skill -skrill"

1 : STR doesn't affect 2x dmg,DEX does. As our passive state "p.skill critical rate raise based to your DEX".
2 : P.atk is not affecting dagger damage. But since they changed the STR effect (p.atk > p.atk and critical damage),removing STR is twice bad. Lowering mastery and lowering critical damage.Otherwise in previous patches,daggers used to go +dex +con -str due to lack of bonus gave by STR (in old patches skill masteries were rare,even the Focus Skill Mastery was kinda useless,but i bet you guys are pro-l2java players,where that skill was broken,making skill masterying almost 50-60%)
3 : Critical damage : All classes > auto attacks. Daggers > blows and auto attacks.
P. Skill critical damage : All classes > skills only.
So actually any jewel increasing critical damage boost daggers blows damage. But on archers only jewels increasing p.skill critical damage boost skill critical damage,which mean none. On archer you need 'power skill' jewels to increase power. (Tauti,Blessed Valakas,etc etc)
4 : Razor rain and Dagger explosion (dagger's AOE skills) are not blows. Which mean their critical damage (i'm actually not even sure if they can 'crit' at all) is increase ONLY via p.skill critical damage.
5 : Archers going full DEX are not so much worth. STR ones are OP due to the bonus they earn from boosting STR. Higher p.atk > higher damage. Also boosts chance to make skills 2x. But you guys are 1hit material to people of your same level/gear,so it makes no difference to you. Fight in either open pvp or olympiad a yul full STR. If his Evasion goes mastery 60+ secs of immortality (nah,not really. But gl hitting a yul on evasion). Also 101 skill will last twice the time.
Long story short : archer landing 50%+ of his skill on mastery = imba.
6 : Who cares which setup an archer pick? once they hit level 101 they becomes broken OP anyway.Skill Power by 40%, P. Skill Critical Rate by 20%, and P. Skill Critical Damage by 40%,which means 1 critical is enough to kill almost any opponent. But guess what? All top yul archers plays full STR. I wonder why.
7 : The effect of STR bonus is anyway still a mistery. It says "P. critical damage",but so far i'm not sure if it's really a worth bonus. I wont decrease my STR anyway since it'll low my skill mastery rate.

I can't say for sure about the difference between p.critical damage and p.skill critical damage on dagger tho,they looks kinda the same to me,so i don't know if it's true that p.skill > p.critical,and i'm too lazy to even test it.Both of them boost my damage,both of the boost my skill damage. Dagger is kinda a tricky and hard class to setup and understand.

Now,get a pen and some paper,write it down,study how dagger and archer works,and stop barking on forum.

 

Troy's +12 pve bow disagree with you.

 

lol.. reading your posts in this thread makes me laugh.. thread is about daggers (KNIVES) not about archers...

Mar 28, 2016

and reading this made me laugh even more than snowyz.. i repeat again.. thread is about daggers not archers..
what u wrote means nothing..
there is no way to remove str on dagger adding dex.. (since +dex can be only with -con)
daggers formula didnt change that much for str be biggest influence in game..

Mar 28, 2016

THREAD IS ABOUT DAGGER..

creator of thread asked to keep or not..

Mar 28, 2016

hmmm i allways thought DE has bigest str of them all and has 1dex lower than kamael but maybe im wrong and wiki lies too
https://l2wiki.com/Races#Kamael_Fighter
dark elf 92str 56dex
kamael 88str 57dex

 

On topic,keep agu.
On cmec and others,l2wiki is heavly outdated.

 

haseo talking about pregod chronicles for - str/ main boost for kamael is not based dex but atk buff

 

either way with atk buff or not kamael is best archer only if its main class.. base (racial) is still dark elf taken white elf archer/trikster as dual with same atk speed buffs

i know that its outdated.. but stats of races didnt chance since begining

 

Quite sure you wrote something about archers.

Actually you can be either wrong or right. We don't know how much is the real influence of STR stats on p.critical damage,which mean,we have no idea how much a +5 STR would increase dagger's damage. Noone says a full STR dagger would be bad (totaly the opposite,higher STR would mean landing lots of skills in mastery,damn good for olys). This is why on Naia (and here...but i don't have adenas for do the same here) i used to play with +10 dex +5 str to balance a bit my toon

 

ggggggggggggggggggggg stop making me laugh ok dude?..
u can check how much it add pcrit dmg easy.. just check your ******* patk with buffs.. and compare to archers..
when u will see diference in 4x then u will understand that ******* str gives u nothing on dagger.. those who run with +5 str they have made "x0" dex (60-70-80) and having 85 for example doesnt make much diference cause bigger boost comes only on x0.. so they add 5str to make str xx0 boost for skill mastery

 

Nevermind,your brain is gone. I mean,not that i ever thought you had one eh,but don't make it so obvious. But it's fine. Please tell us how l2 works mighty cmec...whoever you are anyway...

 

Str>dex on dagger anyday. Every str point might give a slight crit
Dmg boost but with all the multipliers and with it adding up it's crazy dps boost.

 

str for dagger and for other classes: Depending on your STR, Cooldown can be reset or abnormal status duration increases + 2 times.
dex - Light Armor. Depending on your DEX, Spd. and P. Skill Critical Rate change
description from passive armor/weapon skills.

and for augment. yes it's very good for daggers (i got same on ertheia). now get crit dmg augment from giant ls, another 15 or 20%, and you will do imba OP dmg

 

tbh the amount of dmg that is amassed from having full str isn't even the most efficient build. hitting the thresholds between dex and str are more important for sure.

 

show me end game dagger with 3x str dyes

 

I was answering some ppl, calm ur tits, cmec...