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Gameplay broken, Orc Camp and the other 85+ Raid Bosses

Discussion in 'Feedback Archive' started by LooAlonelMoon, Jul 8, 2017.

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  1. LooAlonelMoon

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    Greets.

    Due to the fixed Raid Boss re-spawn period the any game content in the Orc Camp is unreachable for the players. RB is farmed by single player (or two) with their multi-windows. RB killed for a ~10-20 sec, and then next day this "windows" appearing simultaneously with RB, and the cycle repeats, and those every day for the years! So the in-game content of Orc Camp 92th lvl RB is de-facto deleted for the all other players. Please help to return content for the server.
    It's can be fixed with time period in 8-12 hours in which RB can have random respawn. :(
    It is easy to add 1+2, and realize that such situation is used for marketing of in-game cash by a real-life money.

    Maybe I need to post in NC Soft for this, please help and say how I can connect to NC Soft forum, or something.

    P.S. L2 4game Ru forums deleted my topic, for don't know why reason, so I have decide to post there! RU, Lancer, LooAloneLMoon, 92th Aeore Cardinal, Elf
     
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  3. MrScubba

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    So.. gather more players, deal more damage, be there at spawn.
    If you want to kill with 2-3 players, get strong ones.
    Punishing people who pay attention to respawn and have the proper gear for it just doesn t make sense..
     
  4. cmec1

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    that dude crying about him himself failing.. trying to prove smth that already was proven otherwise 2years ago.. just delete this topic, cause this isnt the only forum of l2 where he trashes..
    dont go too far cause he has tendency to start insulting ppl
     
  5. LooAlonelMoon

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    Well I have, of course with proper RU support, but for now without any response, in addition some of my topic about such situation on the RUzone-forum, has been deleted without any notifications, which is weird too...
    It is not so easy. First of all, there all of 85+ is "under control". Second, this RB is under control 365/12 for few years. Perhaps this is means that "farmer-player" on the characters is not a single player, it is like a duty, i.e. Monday-Friday one guy, and Saturday-Sunday, another guys, that using the same characters. And this situation on the all 85+ Raid Bosses (exceptions: Torumba 92th, Dark Quen 88th, and few others quest RB without XP reward or good items )...
    Why they so concerned about such duty for years, I can only guess, the first thing that going into my mind is the non-legal in-game cash trading. You see, there is no items in Game Store in RU-zone, so the most of players just buying in-game cash from non-legal traders to buy the items for adenas from this non-legal trades XD.
    In addition, due to the almost defined RB respawn time, this "farmers" easily tuned respawn of RB to the time of 4:00AM - 6:00AM on +2 timezone (for now they changed more close to the 2:00 AM, for unknown reason), because the less online there... Well, you can say, the same can do any clan. Yes they can, but counting the scale and level of all of that, it's very unlikely a non-legal trading is not involved there...
    Of course it is only my own thoughts, I have no any proves at all. But this situation is not good, because it's making a less available lot of the game-content for the players, and forcing they to buy a non-legal things even more. The lack of in-game content making players more bored, so the higher probability of leaving the game.

    And sorry for my Google Translate English :p
    Jul 13, 2017
    This is a lie. I have insulted nobody, even more, after I have posted my thoughts about all of that I have obtain a lot of insults in my side. But, as I have already said to you, it is a super hard through the text-forum to cause me to insult somebody, despite of what they will post about me.
     
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  6. iFilda

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    Lack of content? Add more of the content and they will farm it just as well and make more money from it.
    Also if I understood correctly there is no random time to spawn just 24h right? So how could they change the rb spawn 2hours backwards? Like they guarded the boss for 22hours so they could move the respawn and you weren't able to kill it? Farming this way is completely fine. Selling the adena for real money is not. And unless to have an evidence of them doing it than you have no case and you are just whiny nobody who provide no contest for those people. You obviously know the respawn timers so pk the toons with main parties 100+ and profit. You honestly can't expect that more monsters would give you more time to kill them.
     
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    dude too bad i cant copy paste ru content here cause its against eula of forum.. read again what u wrote on ru side.. on goha and then tell us that u dont inslut any1 ^^
     
  8. LooAlonelMoon

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    Hello.
    RB respawn time is 22 hours, not 24. A very thin time-period of random respawn exist. You see, from the side point of view without the evidence of the adena selling for a real money, of course the deeds of this "organization" is looks fine. It is something like a monopoly on the market, of, I don't know, a Nuclear Fuel. If all of this fuel is belongs to the one, single organization, that using a dirty tricks to restrict mining of this fuel by anyone other, we will have a market of this fuel sick. And NO ONE restrict to this organization, to start illegal business.
    For those purposes in the real life exist the antimonopoly courts, and other organizations and methods.

    De-facto, if farming of RB such systematic, and such situation is the same for many years, the content of RB is deleted for the 99% of server, and common player can do almost nothing against that. Because it's seems the prize of real money is MUCH more good motivation than just a gameplay motivations of the normal players.
    My confirmations is my posts, I didn't insulted anyone. But into my side was a lot amount of insults. My topics has been deleted without any explanations, in-game insult, insult on goha.ru, etc. All this factors makes me a very suspicious about connections of moderators of ru-forum to all of this situation. But of course, it is only my own foolish thoughts :)
     
  9. LooAlonelMoon

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    And a very poor situation with a an ability to place 2-nd grade buff on RB. To buff up RB with 3-rd grade (after Rebirth) skills is restricted by a game rules, but it is not true for a second grade. The farmer-organizations is using this gameplay fail.

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    They creating a multiple characters, and taking no 3-rd grade skills for some, and rise their lvl to the lvl of RB, so they can buff RB without fearing of "Curse of Raid". Those means, common players must create the same "non-3rd-grade" char with high level, to buff up RB in same way. But this is ridiculous in random party.

    I see few solutions: 1) deny to buff RB, because in active Chronics it's become ridiculous, 2) Allow to buff RB with 3rd grade skills, so any player can buff RB.
     
  10. St0ne

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    Or get proper dps pt and kill it in 10secs.
    Btw isnt it RU server and here is EU?
     
  11. MrScubba

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    They are standing there, flagged.
    Make friends, ask them to come and one shot them.
    Or man up and kill them yourselves. You say they are not awakened yet, should die to any awakened char in a second.

    The stronger and more organized group takes the raid because they are better. It is that simple.
     
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  12. LooAlonelMoon

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    It is a good way in theory, in forum posts, but I have doubts that you have tried this in-game.

    1) Even a few buffs or just one positive buff can increase a strength of RB drastically (casting time of 2nd grade buffs is ridiculously low...), making Monster almost impossible to be defeated by any random group. And don't matter, if you kill the buffer then, or not. The skill that can Cancel positive buffs from RB has the CD - 5 minutes, and it can cancel maximum 2 buff, it's making RB aggressive to the canceler (as I remembered), and very rarely has a success to cancel even 1 positive buff from RB. Those 3rd-grade skill is far more useless than this 2nd grade buffs.

    2) Game rules has been developed to prevent the positive buff of 85+ RB, denying the ability to buff RB with 3rd-grade skills, as I can understand.

    3) The organization it's when the group of the real players farming RB, but not when just 1 real player and ~10 game clients launching in window mode farming this RB with de-lvl characters, using developers fails with buff of RB, Touch of Shillen etc, every-day, 24/7, 365/12 (probably via acc-sharing). It is hard to avoid thoughts about motivation of all of that like a real-life money...

    Of course such situation have no any effects on players that just bought adenas from this "farmers" and then bought the weapons and armors from the same "farmers" by this adenas, and then just be happy. But the lack of RB content is a serious problem for the all other players, which is not using the illegal services. As I can understand, such lot amount of RB 85+ lvl has been created by devs for fun of a random parties, but not only for the money-farmers...
     
  13. iFilda

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    Lol... These were never for the fun for randoms. Organized people always farmed raids. Made deleveled chats, checkers, portrers, support characters with all the peeks that these ingame flaws you mentioned allowed.
     
  14. St0ne

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    Sure thing,but since theyve changed rules about 3rd grade buffing,so same rule should apply to ANY buffs ingame. Period.
     
  15. MrScubba

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    I am not sure about Russian laws and rules but when you accuse someone at least you should give some proof, not to cry wolf only.
    Send a ticket to support if you believe they do anything illegally.
    Having 10 game accounts, buffing raids or even locking them down is part of the game.

    Also, currently the game is designed that you can either use real money to gain advantage or spend a lot of time and effort to achieve anything. Up to you which one you choose.

    Bugs and problems are being fixed, 3rd class buffs on raids are not bugs. Even if I agree with you personally, this is what you have, deal with it. Game is already annoyingly easy for the PvE content.
     
  16. LooAlonelMoon

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    Yeah [D, The same things with a monopoly on the market :D Organized Corporation, starting agreements and Illegal activity and sc*ng up the anything, and in the end everyone losing, even this Corps. Those Antimonopoly Stuff exist. And yeah, I think I will not believe that such continious 365/12 everyday farming of dozens of RB by same character (for single player it's almost impossible, so acc-sharing must take it's place) is for the in-game fun, or for something else than a "real-money-farming" :)
    Hmm, a very interesting, almost the same this "farmers" sayet to me. Well, I am emotional person, but a, I can assure you, Mr honest Moderator, I have not spent yet a single tear from the beginning of this situation :) Also I can say, that 4-game guys on RU forum don't like when somebody showing something from in-game illegal trade of adenas, they just cleaning up topic for instant :)
    Unfortunately (or fortunately :) ) your honest servant have no any clues, so the only one thing that is left for poor me, "to cry wolf only" :).
    A very fun peoples spent 90% of their game-founds to the swamp of illegal trading, but not directly to the 4-game. Amazing :)
    3rd-grade buff is impossible to apply to the RB 85+, "Wrong Target" is answer of the game-client. But the 2-nd grade can be easily applied. This is one of game epic fails, along with Touch Of Shillen, Stage-loot counting, etc.
     
  17. iFilda

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    Yes. Nobody says it's not failed that the buffs can be applied. But there are no hot fixes for lineage so until it gets fixed in some of the major updates you have to play with what you got. You can always exp these toons yourself and buff the boss so the farmers have harder time killing it.
     
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    Which part u cant understand?
    It was fixed some updates ago that u cant buff with 3rd class buffs.
    Also,ask urselfs why pple using 2nd class buffs on rb atm?
    Answer isnt that hard after all.
     
  19. MrScubba

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    Again, if you feel you have any proof of any kind of real money transaction, feel free to send it to the support and they will investigate it.

    On the EU servers we do not have serious problems, at least not visible.
    Raids are fine.

    You might want to continue this topic on the russian forums but on the European servers we are good.
    I know your topic got removed/locked but well, there are differences.
     
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    On EU servers we currently have a similar situation, albeit not so grave. There are at least 2 RMT clans that I've seen several times doing the same RBs (~50's) with the same train of 3 parties following a single character. RMT and bots, nothing changed since the start, everyone knew what MadPro was doing here and yet they got away with it and $$$. They even admitted in the forum and ... nothing.
     
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