The thing is that the way they put l2store is intended so that what u get isn't gamble..that's why they can do it to begin with or they need a license for it like a casino (and probably need proof the buyer is adult)..since it's not seen as gamble they don't need to disclose chances cause by the eyes of law there's no chances to begin with as ppl buying direct items..yea its ****** up but..
I think we are not buying items, we are buying boxes which giving us chances on items, its the same like buying chips on a roulette table or tickets for lottery. If it was true like u say, then they need to put sayha stages to buy, like stage 1 5€ , stage 10 500€ then its not gambling, then u know how much it cost and u can decide, but now u gamble with unknown rewards and unknown chances
Your logic is right, but afaik selling an item directly does not fall under gambling ingame, i do not know how exactly they exploited this rule to such point that it's not bannable , but as u see many games have this "loot boxes" feature going on, but these companies have no right to sell gamble, yet it's allowed. edit: after digging a bit, 2 of the reasons for not banning this is: -u cant cash out the items, tho ppl do cash out items here, it's not supported by ncsoft/innova, so you can't legally make money from this; -you are always garanteed rewarded ingame content, you never lose so they don't classify it as gambling. Seems the debate wether u get a bres or a dragon weapon could be moot in the eyes of the law.
And this is a very welcome change too, not only that non-ebayers can get a few stones level 3-4 after some decent effort and struggle, but they can even make money from this, by farming eod and camping ch NPC. It is a lot of effort, but it is normal, either pay or work for it, it is supposed you work for the money too, that is the model of freemium games, we do not have any content, almost, not available to people which do not pay except fishing and other pa perks, some people even give adena to trusted friends to buy the premium or gift them l2store untradeable items involving a lot of risk and a high level of trust which adds to the thrill of the game as well as the drama when people are just people stealing from poor saps which worked hard for that. Better get burned here and learn a lesson for later in life than lose your house to crooks at 30. To expand the bundle issue following further feed-back here: 1. Bundling things should be for free when you buy more items, like a discount, but in game items, not a lower price. 2. Bundling items should NOT lead to an increase of price, otherwise the people will feel frustrated they were forced to buy something they dont want. Making those things untradeable adds to the pain. How would I have done it: 5x pack 7Eur (i start from the base price, can be anything here, you should do the prices, 2x or less than russia (my take, you know better, but 4x is clearly too much). 20x pack +5 tarots (tradeable or not, it does not matter as much if they are just a prize, an extra for quantity) 28 Eur 50 pack +1 fortune +1 Energy +15 tarots 70 Eur 100 pack +2 fortune +1 energy +1 blessing +30 tarots 140 Eur. This way nobody can complain (except from difference in russia, but that is another discussion) Who wants only the talismans, can buy the 5x pack, they are not more expensive than the ones in the 100x pack. There could also be some nominal discount as you like it, 5-10% in higher packs so everyone will be happy. Of course, that is only an example, ebayers can propose different schemes and you will have undoubtedly another and make some small changes then show what you changed as the result of this feedback so everyone will start to understand your side and have less conflicts in the future. I don't suppose you will ever agree to give us the scheme in advance before you send the prices to the koreans as well as the bundles scheme, but at least explaining how you got to that and which part of the feed-back you incorporated will help at least a bit the community to understand your reasoning. As it looks now it seems someone said lets make a big bundle jack up the price and milk the few remaining players. No wonder the reaction has been this bad, I understand the ebayers too, they cannot be forced to cough up so much money so frequently, it is good you resist new content, space it out more, expand the tarots slowly, it will give the people time to enjoy their "investment" a few months at least until they have to invest even more not to be wiped out in a few shots.
Lets wait for fishing event and you will see how Innova "considers player's opinion". My guess 3000 packs will be at least 45 Eur now with even worse rewards than last time.
I bet it will be half that because higher level players need more gear and buy l2store. Also the shadows and tautis whatever those drops will help others level faster and enjoy some new content, increasing retention rate and player satisfaction. If they listen and balance a bit so that nonebayers can at least manage pve up to superion, for example after 6-9 months with pa and a few tenners at most a month, then we will have improvement not unstopable decline. If the decide to milk us one last time, then... We all know what will happen, what happened for the last year or so. Of course after the promo, how could he know the prices before? Not like you shared them with us, but he probably said that, compared with russia, we generally got too high prices. As I see it, ok, costs are different, populations are different, income is different, but 2x is decent, 3 x and over is probably too much, even if you bundle some extra things. I think this is a cultural thing, you get things more or less on mark in Russia, but you do not understand the EU market, the people int he 2 regions are "somewhat" different, and that will continue to be an issue and even get worse as the isolationism and confrontation grows.
Assuming: Prices after event release cannot be changed. Fragola told that leaders could negociate a bit prices < but they dont know prices before event is a live so they cant do that at all. Prices for EU going all the time up and pack are worst, was 2x RU price, later 3x RU price, now is 5x RU Price and its not even comparable to RU packs. Fragola is a Community Manager but her voice in her team is not meaning at all so in fact our voice is not meaning at all.... Soon Fishing event and RED/BLUE cards store event. And we will see how team taking our voide seriously. Almost sure we will have prices from RU x6 or even x7. Because they dont care about players EU, they still have good prospering RU servers God/Classic Not even wanna know what wil be at Fishing event soon we will have on ru pack will be for 200RUB and in EU will be (the same name of pack) the same pack with 2x less items, and the same price 200EUR. Soon they will put our prices 1:1, RUB:EUR. PS. I would not be surpried if Red Libra event will be half L2store event. You can take quests for free but weapon and dualclass change for euro.
First, your comments makes no sense about your arguments about the pricing policy. If you keep inflated l2store prices on core, in turn it will impact higher prices in game economy (nobody wants to sell expensive l2store items for low adena), on which you partially base your pricing policy? Second aden/eur rates for EU and RU are different mainly due to l2store pricing, the prices in general are definitely not 2-4x times lower in adena on Ru servers. And KR has to approve pricing?!? So for RU its not a problem to approve 2-4x times lower prices but for Core it might be an issue? Also, how do you collect feedback before sending it to Korea for approval, if you never announce anything and especially pricing beforehand, since we clearly haven't seen any Feedback taken so far into consideration for any l2store event. Also, honest question, where do you see all that "positive" feedback on mixed sayha packs? Atm, its like this, you buy a pack, but you get only half of that as sayha, for the rest you have to gamble. Which we know the rates for sayha is ridiculously low. I think people are more mad not because of prices, but more because of your ignorance and excuses that don't even make sense sometimes. I think your next l2store event (fishing) will seal this server's fate. Let's see if you actually "listen" to anyone.
@CM Fragola why did devs make 9 +9 compound not 100% ? I'm pretty sure that is a 600E gamble , i know ppl that spent a bit less than that and didn't even get lvl 9, maybe more considering it's like 100-150b adena ingame . Why do we have 100% ration on combining lvl 5 jewels and 50% on combining lvl 9 sayha? Sayha 9 is more expensinve than almost any lvl 5jewel and even lvl6 ones. Soon you have higher chance of winning the lottery than successfully combining some expensive items.
@CM Fragola is there any chance to keep posibility to seal sayhas after event at least to have a chance to transfer it to other charakter or sell it like longoing/insanity talizman and next question what will happen to this talismans after the event ends , will be open automaticly or will be able to sell them??
I wrote here that the tarot bundle dramatically cut the prices for abundance and a few epics, especially earth wyrm and tauti rings so even people which dont donate hundreds or more a month can afford decent pve gear. That is a good thing for the server as it can accommodate more people with decent gear, more people, more fun, but, yeah, the prices should not go higher because of the bundle, that must be at most a discount, as I detailed it later. Anyway, if you only need the talisman packs, there are packs with 5 for 7 eur and they only contain talismans. It could have been handled better, I agree, let's hope this time they will listen, if not, well, we all lose.
Then I guess it was only you who said something positive, and CM Fragola took it as tho there are many people thinking the packs were good idea, I wonder why? These packs are complete rip-off. First we have to gamble to try upgrade talisman with insane prices, then we have to pray our gamble with tarots dont lead us to getting nothing. Too many ppl opening lots of tarots and got total 0, for the price of a lot of euro paid for those packs trying to push you some useless tarots. You are saying it is good for the server, some items (tauti ring, earth wyrm ring, abundance talismans) getting cheaper. On the other end of the spectrum - people opening stupid tarots, getting nothing. In the end they get some of these items, and the price is ridiculously low. Guess what then, you paid a whole lotta money, getting few talismans low level, and nothing or almost nothing because of those prices you can sell those items for. They have some stupid excuse to push you tarots, but the truth is only few people have something of ANY value out of those tarots, rest of the people just got scammed by getting tarots they dont want to buy and they can not sell - another brilliant idea, let us have those tarots which every year they nerf like mad, and we are not even able to sell them. I saw somebody mentioning the RU promo running now - blue, idiotic red (-3 enchant levels on fail), and normal red cards. Russians players don't look happy at all - they had those cards as promo in 2014, with prices 2-3x times cheaper. The game is just decaying. All drops are removed, almost everything in the game is l2store exclusive, no decent content, repetitive things to do with zero rewards. And on top of that they add things to store all the time, once a year they review those packs or whatever and lower the chances. If you take a look at what items were generated from tarots few years back, and after every change they made, things just look very bad. Buying 50 tarots 3y ago would wield you most of the time return on the money and maybe some profit. Now - almost always at loss. Also pretty sure they have some system in place, which controls the flow of items from tarots, so if some people get for example blessed antharas and some limit of those is reached (temporal or not), then chances are either modified or it's completely removed from the list. Fair and square. Cheers.
First, people getting those items from l2store get **** adena if prices drop, tauti was already cheap (3-3.5) so its not major drop in price. Earth wyrm, decent drop in price, but 1 item in a whole picture makes no difference. Abu is just in theory cheaper, because they introduced alot of recipes but there is no way to craft them cheap, since tarots do not yield other abu talismans required to make abundance lol. Also all rich traders bought most of it at the discount and put back up at normal prices. It made nothing else cheaper, its completely useless this combo, just pushing people to spend extra for a completely useless items. Everyone realise that this game is completely p2w, since you can buy EVERYTHING, the ingame content doesnt even matter anymore, so why not make prices acceptable to a wider audience of people. L2 is just a playground for handful of rich kids and a chat software for the rest - nothing else.
The ability to seal talismans will be gone after the end of the promo, but nothing will be "open automatically".
hurray , someone finally nailed it. There is no in-game reward, no more monster slaying for drops, no more monster slaying for xp. No more ingame effort to reach some sort of achievement. You just buy your shiny from l2store to start bragging that you have it, that is really satisfying /sarcasm. So not only do new players have no real ingame reward target; the people actually having items, dont get respect cuz you buy the **** from l2store, which is no achievement at all. A game should have achievements, that is the main attractor of any game; remove that, and you remove the community supporting you. The more innova milks it like this, the less revenue stream it will give them.
