[25.01.2018] PvP tournament - pros and cons

just put 2 mages 3 healers 1 iss and 1 tank and you win 100%

 

Idea obviously good. It will need to be prepared good.

As people already mentioned, problem might be time. Schedule should be very flexible and it should be communicated with team leaders. But it will also depends on how much team gonna sign to tourney.
Also it shouldnt collide with main events like olympiad, sieges, dim. sieges and if possible, it shouldnt collide even with dragons i suppose. If i remember correctly, at Core Tournament 1 team rejected to participate in 1 match, because of dragon.

Regarding equip, i think its last thing u should speak now. Every tournament there were corrections in gear. Its more important to make some general agreement on how matches itself should looks like and after there will be need to make test matches, and u will see if matches going way u wanna or they are not.
So in my opinion, u should discuss what parameters u expect from matches.

And here is a lot of factors:
brooch rhapsody, yes or no - it will change PVPs a lot.
Rebirth agathion - yes or no, it will change PVPs a lot, especially mages in parties
etc etc etc

In my opinion this kind of tourney is very specific and we cannot expect it will be same as PVP 7v7 at Core or Ramona.
I think, PVP should be very offensive. Offensive matches are more attractive for everybody, players and spectators as well. Offensive matches also showing fast reactions and every mistake matters. So i prefer higher dmg output and more squishy characters, but without brooch rhapsody ( so lv 5 brooches ) and without any agathions ( no perma mana on mages cause of 9 rebirths per party )

Limitations should be to 1 tank max, 2 healers max. Many tourneys proved, its best and i think its good to keep this. Depends on power of othells, if they will be so powerful, because of squishy defensive setups, AMC organisers used to limit othells to max 1 per party.

Recovery part: I wouldnt use shirts +10, it will make just too many problems with salvations etc. Also Salvations from healers only after match start. Obviously there shouldnt be blessed ressuractions scrolls. Recovery should be limited to healer ress, ISS ress and Salvation skills from healers. No feathers etc. Also i recommend to ban block ress skill. It just would be abused, if u decide to make squishy defensive setups.

So generally instead of equip itself, u should lead discussion to "if u wanna 3 min matches or 20 min matches"...




Next thing is how many people will really participate. I remember last Core tournaments, not many team participated. Only 10. While server had bigger population. Now we have also Ramona, but still. Many people are afraid to participate in this kind of tournament. U will need to count on it. So maybe prices should be better. I would even reward, lets say even top 8, even if 10 team would participate. Also rewards should be good, to motivate people more. Some people dont need rewards and they will sign for prestige, but after all that years playing here, i think there is lot of carebears on server right now, and they would prefer items instead of fame and prestige. Also huge flexibility with schedule. U need to be as much flexible as possible.

Another thing, u dont have some power rankings. So it will be hard to determine how to make tournament system. Definitely, because we lack power rankings before tournament, i would strongly recommend group system and after play off for 2 matches. And even there, i think it will be very good to make it "2nd chance play off system". It mean it will have bracket of winners and bracket of loosers, who will still have chance to win whole tournament, if they lose 1 match in play off. Reasons for this are: We dont know power rankings before tournament to make groups properly, so it could be unfair for some teams to get eliminated in quaterfinals, just because they had stronger group and met winner of other group and rest teams from that group can be weaker... So bracket for looser in play off would be perfect, so even if u lose QF matches u can still win whole tournament, of course if u lose twice, its over

So all in all, its better to determine what kind of matches u wanna have, what kind of system u wanna, definitely this should be main discussion now. To make it as much attractive as possible.

 

Well i will watch, i dont have CP atm :< For 1v1 i would participate
Good idea about this turnament imo

 

Gear talking AGAIN?!
THAT tourment supposed to be on equal terms.
Why on earth add any kind of enchants,brooches etc.?!
U rly pple cant play w/o p2w stuff anymore?!
Keep it as basic as much as possible.

 

we think to keep it reasonable 5 min or so.
I also agree with you that in current conditions "Double Elimination" (winner's bracket and loser's bracket) is a better solution that "Single Elimination" (no loser's bracket).

 

Hahaha, jeezes christ, worst idea ever. You literally making it ALL ABOUT GEAR AGAIN?? This will result in watching STS and GS ONLY in every single fight.

Bring +0 with SA/attributes gear, eternal jewels, no l2 store, talismans or something along those lines. And enjoy the full spectrum of the game, at least you will be able to see more classes and more tactics....

It's unbelievable how you want to make this about gear again...

P.s. this will also limit tournament to a handful of top people who actually have gameplay experience with that gear...So again event pushed by a handful of top people for top people. I am starting to suspect who pushed higher prices on sayha packs "so normal people cant afford it"...

 

Because if we play with +0 eternal you think we're gonna see people playing tyrr gran khavatari ? Wouldn't make much sense to do a tournament that's nothing like the reality of the game in my opinion. Only thing that should probably be limited would be brooch lvl 6 i think, maybe assign a limited number or only lvl5s as stated before.

 

This is were you are wrong. Gear is what actually made this game what it isnt and shouldnt be about. The top gear stacks exponentially where top chars benefit the most, with basic gear the gap would be very small opening positions for other classes.

 

Actually lvl4 and 5 jewels are minimum for the horrible balance state of the game. Do you want to play against mage reflect without longing or shirt +10 or cat eye 4-5 or coc belt?Every dps class will just kill themselves on the mage shield.

 

Based on your logic you will deal more damage with all those items and kill yourself even faster, not to mention you will have feohs with 4-5 rebirths. Take one thing out of full context and use it as an example of how everything else should work.

 

Are you dense or just pretending?

Which class exactly is cut out because of skill enchants on ++weapon?
You do realize that all of korea's "balancing" is based on full equipment?

I can already tell you which classes will be played: Dagger, Archer, Mage.
Never will be different, no matter the gear.
Mage will be do or die depending on the amount of rebirths.

Jan 26, 2018

You are the same as that LuckyLuciano lol.

Which class will be played if we dont add any gear? Plz tell me.

 

Eviscerator maybe D

 

without cats eye and coc belt/Longing/+10 set you will kill yourself b4 killing the mage. No matter how much dmg you do because it's % both ways (and defensive abilities stack higher than offensive abilities)

 

You do realize that gear is exactly the thing that makes yuls daggers and feoh op since they benefit the most from damage stacking?!

I can already tell you that nobody will even play archer or dagger with full gear. It will be Feoh fiesta.

Looks like you're just afraid some randoms will steamroll your sorry *** without your top gear. No wonder you suggesting the setup "to meet your needs better" and make the tournament your personal sandbox. You cant let your ego get butthurt, otherwise TH would have to stop spamming hero chat with nonsense...

Jan 26, 2018

If this was the case people wouldnt be getting 1 shot in this game.

 

you are really beyond help.
You are getting 1shot because of GEAR DIFFERENCE.
Do you see me or my healers getting 1hit without enemy brooch cast? no
Do we have brooch cast in tournament? no
Do we have gear difference in tournament? no

Why is brooch cast so strong for feoh? because its 400% matk compared to 100% patk.

Please do your homework first.

 

I think with some gear restrictions based on class (example +12 weapon for archer/mage/dagger, +14 evis/sayha, +16 tyrr/wynn) you could maybe see some class diversity

 

i voted "no god pleaso no" just because idea is good but knowing how innova works i have very bad feeling about it.. either it gonna take 3 years to prepare or it gonna be made very very poorly with many loopholes in it

 

maybe if u add +20 skills only for tyrr and evis etc.

problem with those classes is the lack of burst dmg. sayha will actually be a more of less ok class, if well played. but as of now nothing is finalized. those classes depend on debuffs more than archer or mages

 

I will not evan watch. Hate mode : On!
A good word say : "Keep your enemy close and your Donnors closer"
Give free gifts to donnors....they keep server up.

 

Well with a pvp tournament like this you have the chance to prove if you are better than the donators^^.