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A Game set up for failure.

Discussion in 'Archive 2.0' started by mYzor, May 14, 2018.

  1. 21Sav

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    You say that as if they care about the people.
    If they could they would remove XP from them and sell it in L2Store.

    Sorry,but no. 5b will get you a proper set and wep. What about accs ? Also you need to invest in the char too. And with say ... 7b investment I promise you wont make 100kk/hour. You just give people false hope. Plus after GC update they lowered drop, before that ... maybe but with more than ~5b worth of gear.
     
  2. gothic84

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    OMG guys. Dont write where u get adena from!!! Why do you think Fragola is here? They will know where u get adena from and nerf it to make u buy more l2 store.
    Sadly, no joke.
     
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  3. UgahBugah

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    It's actually NCSoft who nerfed things, they are the developers, not Innova. Hence the nerfs are in every region and not just here.
     
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  4. Ahanna

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    Try to farm all the stuffs you need to make +10 pvp set, don't buy anything, just farm, and see how it works
     
  5. UgahBugah

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    Since when did we jump from farming decent stuff as a starting player to farming the very end game as a new player? L2 was always the game that took years of farming and a most of the time in groups and you could still not achieve end game.

    Your gear example is not only irrelevant but quite another problem to point out. It's irrelevant because someone has to farm stuff in the game, they don't appear from thin air so you can just buy it with adena, especially in the new server example that I gave. Adena shouldn't be the main focus, trade should be used when it's impossible for you to farm that specific item, or just trade with something else. Remember how the game was in the past, you could buy your stuff with adena but I was going with my clan from rb to rb, killing them and gearing up, either by crafting or full drop. Of course, a lot has changed but the idea is the same. And the problem with your absolute best gear example is that players don't want to take intermediate steps anymore. They would rather gimp themselves for months and years to achieve the absolute best gear, being that pve or pvp. It seems like players don't want to take intermediate steps anymore, which not only that are cheaper but helps to improve their character development by a lot.
     
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  6. Ahanna

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    Forget the new server, this one isn't. It's no point to gather all the stuffs by yourself, now and even years before it was a lot cheaper to get full item than craft them and it doesn't matter if it's a weapon/armor set/talismans/etc. It doesn't take rocket science to count which way is cheaper to do. And i'm not saying that you should farm with twilights/apo untill you can buy those end game gear, again some little math and count whats really worth to buy at that moment.
     
  7. TranpeGG

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    Comparing past to present or future is pointless, the game model has changed even on Classics. The only item-farming today happens through L2 Store with some exceptions like CoC, epics, Lilith/Anakim, Gainak etc.
    So obviously top(outside EN/TH)/mid/low/new players have zero chance of farming any good items w/o L2 Store, and even during farm events that zero percent becomes maybe one percent chance.
     
  8. -V77-

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    Game set to failuer? Game not frendly for new and mid players? What a non sense. Yesterday did 9 attempt to make charm aries from stage 1 agation. And 9 fails. 50-50 chances. This game is awesome.

    Wish a failstack would be in this game...
     
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  9. Naito

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    I was telling to Fragola about fail stack long time ago, ofc the answer is as usual, we are not developers. Why other games have fail stack and every enchant current % channce with any boost etc, but we can't have it. It's simpe money...
     
  10. Eyon00

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    Ouf V77 your post reminded when i made my own charm aries with 6 tries and ended up wasting 10b for 3% skill crit dmg. Good luck new players. :D
     
  11. Ahanna

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    Thats not quite true, it's possible to make 1b+/day, but it needs good game knowledge and some effort, but yes, top players get those goods faster and easier. And when i say knowledge, it's not knowing where you can get cheap stuffs, but knowing why item prices sometimes drops or rises so drasticly, this way tou can make a lot in a long term
     
  12. TranpeGG

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    Made some keywords bold, try reading again. And when I say items I don't mean basic stuff like clean armor/weapon.
     
  13. Ahanna

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    Yes, most of them comes from L2store, but u don't need to donate yourself to buy it.
     
  14. mYzor

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    This wasnt about bilions or w/e item RNG happened to screw you with..
    This was about showing that there can be small adjustments that could help the game and that wouldnt take too much effort to implement or have a big impact on their income as a business.

    Adjusting the quests rewards so they are more proportionate would be trivial difficulty/effort/work and stop players overleveling ahead of the equipment available to them.
    Raising elemental stones drop rate, would be trivial difficulty/effort/work wise and would help alot the entry level players.
    Introducing elemental crystal recipes would be trivial difficulty/effort/work wise as they could simply modify the existing designs at Tolonis (kereceus alliance base) to use elemental stones as ingredients.
    Making quests having 100% drop wouldnt be so hard and would be a hell of a quality of life update for those entry level players as they wouldnt be stuck "all day" in them.
    Raising drops, even craft packs would make r/r95 (low/entry level content) less of a pain.

    Would these changes change the game from the .... that it is atm? No.
    Would these changes have a negative effect on NCSoft's/Innova's income? Yes. If only for making entry level content more available, therefore relieving the need RM.., pardon me, l2store.
    Could these changes help new people stick around and, who knows, even possible become l2store users in the future? Maybe. Or keep it this way and have people go out the door before their 30 day paulina expires, thats cool for me too.

    PS: I made this out of curiosity. I dont need these changes for me.
     
  15. TranpeGG

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    Correct, although that doesn't change the fact that someone else needs to generate those items through L2 Store.
    That's the problem I'm pointing out, that most people can't farm them hence can't supply the market with those items.
    Instead, they need to farm Adena and buy them hoping of course that people generated enough items from L2 Store so the prices aren't extremely high.
     
  16. Fragola

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    https://clips.twitch.tv/UglyFunHerringDAESuppy
     
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  18. Fragola

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    That's your conclusion, not my "solution"
     
  19. TranpeGG

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    That's a good example of a very experienced CP, who also have L2 Store gear equipped, showing what's possible this early at a server.
    Sadly it's completely irrelevant to the rest of the players who can't do that or don't want a four Feoh one healer setup as CP. Good luck fitting hundreds in Atelia melee spots like this one.
    P.S. When are we also gonna get those lovely cakes?:)
     
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  20. SK111

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    Lets say this. Yes they are farming in paulina sets.
    Yes they have premium account and no mobs in l2 ever dropped a premium account.
    Yes they are using cakes but someone needs to buy cakes in the l2store.

    All in all l2 salvation is designed around the l2 store button. You can delete all the graphics and leave only the l2 store button giving to it the real appearance.
    A wallet appearance. Wins who punches in credit card numbers more times per day.
    About the rng i want to ask to one of the cms of your choice if him or her will ever sign a contract which states "you will have a chance to be paid by the end of the month for the work you've done in innova".

    This is the truth and that's why you see a 4 game classic server.
     
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