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Why Innova says that pk system works fine if it's not true?

Discussion in 'General Discussion: Core' started by Naito, Mar 15, 2019 at 3:49 AM.

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  1. Naito

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    Idk how long time ago, maybe a year maybe two, after you lose karma your character still was flagged, so nobody could do pk on you. Today after lose karma you get back to normal stage, thats why someone who is not even targeting you can do pk.

    For me this is bug, and pk mechanic do not work fine, because before it was diffrent and so many years was okej, now is broken, so thats why many people is losing equipment. I never farm afk macro, and people know it, but i do no like Innova excuses. Today you can't stay out of town, because you can pk someone by reflect dmg.

    So if you still want to have old game, send ticket to Innova and ask them to bring back old pk mechanic, where after losing karma you still have flag (purple color).
     
  2. TranpeGG

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    They don't like that we farm so much Adena and create inflation that's why they tried to deflate with bracelets and passive skills but it's not working. They also want people to be afraid of afk macroing that's why they leave this pk bug and also start banning people for keyboard macro again, beware permas are coming. Being purple after red is not good either, cause someone can force PvP on you against your will.
     
  3. zauliuz

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    or maybe bring back mechanics like in c4 when you die from mob - you can drop items? or like it was in GoD - if you die with pk item is not dropped, but destroyed.

    nope you can't. otherwise all parna shops would be PK'ed and dropped all baylor passes ;)
     
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  4. Notic

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    It still works the same way, if you flag first, then pk, and killed fast (during flag timer) after karma is cleared you got flagged. Difference is if you 1 shoot pet, you do not get flag you go instantly red.
     
  5. MaoMao

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    In theory you can still time deflaging perfectly with automated tools, so you can increase PK count of people doing AoE. As long as AoE hits red and purple chars even as you select only monster at UI, there will be problems, people can force PvP and PK penalties on PvE chars.

    The simple answer to this is to exclude chars from AoE possible targets in non-siege zone, whether flagged, not flagged or chaotic if the player selected only monster as target and is not forcing the attack.

    The devs are working on it, it is harder and harder to abuse this "game feature" and force PvP and PK penalties on PvE chars, but the RMTers will always find some exploit.
    That is not even the main problem, the problem is that it is allowed and perhaps even encouraged instead of punished, as we see from the efforts to bury the issue (this thread will be closed too, let's see if there will be an explanation or not).

    P.S. I just saw who opened it, maybe when other people than the people without any means for PvP "cry" someone will be willing to listen?
     
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  6. iCyxx

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    Why create again new topic ?
    It's simple, they don't care about player, even about server..

    Them goal is only to make money. It's not for nothing if many private server have 10x or 20x more people than offcial server xD
     
  7. andrius3022

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    Topic closed in 3..2...1... But I agree. Getting flag after removing karma would fix this issue (mostly)
     
  8. zauliuz

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    and what about pvp without flag and holding ctrl to start fight? you can kill everyone just because you can. no pk bugs. no drops. nothing. that would be fun.
     
  9. mYzor

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    It wouldnt work as people would wait for that small window between the blinking purple state and white.
    And yes, if you keep attacking someone who is flashing and that last attack lands when they become "white", you go red.
    The other solution someone has mentioned before of AoE's targeting mobs not affecting players wouldnt work either since players would lose a valuable tool to fight against stealth/hide classes.

    The solution is simple but people seem afraid or maybe ashamed of putting it forward.
    Just ask for an option that makes your character invulnerable to pvp. Sort of like some MMORPGs have channels for pvp and pve, pvp only and pve only.
    If that fails, just ask for a new server where pvp is disabled, where people can have their characters farm in peace. (extra fee for transfer not included. INNOVA, f yeah!)
     
  10. Jintxa

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    We are not talking about PVP or PVE server, we are talking about someone coming for your pt pve and it kills you because it flagates there is no problem. But since they turn you into pk (That to do that you need a forceattack) is not something we're going to make logical. Many times you are open flag for any reason and anyone can kill you, so everything is perfect, but in the same situation you put pk? that is not logical. Apart we will put the issue if the macro is good or not, there everyone will have their opinion and their reasons, but the fact is that it is not logical or reasonable to put pk in a pt pve. Flag? No problem, pk? that is another story. Recognize that you have to press 2 keys at a time for that ...
     
  11. GecKos

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    Is funny see this maomao crying all time because he cant put macro afk 24/7 to rmt.. xD

    How you know they are "poor".. and not boxes from some top player or rmt? just check pavel 90% boxes are from top players with 12b+ of gear each box... to loc what u need? 20b on feoh and myb win more than pável...
     
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  12. Notic

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    Because people dont rmt with 3-4 chars. Wantto see how ppl rmt check pavel or archaic -protected 247 and ressed within 15-30min when killed, each spot has 7-12 chars. And i doubt anyone tries pk bug of them
     
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  13. Jintxa

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    We all know that Pavel's box are of people who are dedicated to sell adena so those are not worth me as an example because poor are precisely not. Do you really think that the owners of the server allow that kind of smuggling of euros without something in their hands? Those boxes move many euros and that's why they are very calm there
    Mar 15, 2019 at 5:49 PM
    I know many players who, seeing the corruption and the smuggling that exists in the server, firmly believe that the company is aware of this and benefits from it. But it is impossible that we would see ourselves like this .....
     
  14. iBane

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    i would pk someone but my 500 dmg hits cant defeat HP regen
     
  15. mYzor

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    If this has not been fixed yet, its probably because the players that are considered important for NCSoft havent found it or (ab)used it to the point of it becoming a problem.
    If the korean playerbase has not come forward, then the likelyhood of this being seen as a problem by NCSoft "devs" is slim to none because we do not matter to them. (how many more years must pass for people to realize this)
    Therefore, if there isnt a simple fix/solution (pve locked characters, just as a single example) or a profitable solution for NCSoft and their publishers (a pve only server) then a fix to this problem isnt likely to show up.

    Just look as a simple example of NCSoft being so good at QoL improvements: According to the wiki it has been around 15 and a half years since this game was launched in Korea, and a future update, in 2019, brings the option to activate pvp "mode" without having to press ctrl. Better late than never, i guess..

    PS: When Innova themselves tell people to be on the pc monitoring the macro'd characters maybe, just maybe, they are not being D.k about it, but giving you what probably is the only solution to a problem, since they, better than any of us know how NCSoft operates when it comes to requests.
    But hey, INNOVA is the devil since NCSoft is the one that gave birth to this flawless masterpiece of a game.
     
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    The difference between many writers and u is simple. You are saying people crying forums! You need to read all posts and try to understand what they are telling? Are they telling afk farming good? or Are they telling they want to be RMT ? NO! They are trying to tell there are some in-game mechanics that effect people and Devs need to fix it or Innova need to solve the problem with adding to violations! I don't understand why are u using "crying" word for all people when you know you are not right in that situations...

    But I hope people will read posts carefully and understand eachother when they will be educated...
     
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    i never heard about someone who was forced get PK when he was live farming. afk it's other story. i think devs left this feature to prevent afk boting on macro. it's my opinion, but usually it's truth. now you start, oh but i spend $$$ to get this or that, if you didn't value your items then it's not problem to spend more $$$ to get them back, once ilethal said to when i caught him - it's ok, i have enough $$$ to buy my items back. too bad he dropped only ulti leggings, tauti ring, and few oly augment weapons, one of them was giant's cd, idk what was another ;)
     
  18. MaoMao

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    Nobody said to change anything in PvP areas, heck, the bug doesn't even work over there because you can't really get PK unless you do it in purpose (push CTRL and target char outside the zone). You won't be able to target stealth chars with regular AoE in normal hunting places anyway, as long as they are not purple or red, so, what gives?

    Let me correct that for you: You can't increase the PK count to 4 in case of live people, but you can do it +1 if you are insistent enough even without this bug, just use the purple wear off one. Sure they will get a lot of PvP points in the process, but, who cares, you have 100% res all the time, so, eventually, you will get lucky.

    Of course you can, just read the topics where I posted about this "feature". I even gave zauliuz my /loc for the next 10 hours. When I woke up he was still talking about macro on the PK bug threads but didn't come to "PvP" with my chars.


    I can and I do farm faction on macro, Koreans introduced macros for factions farming, I farm factions while I sleep, problem is now, during fishing event, I am making adena and gear/consumables (waiting for such an event for years...), so, wait for 3 more weeks if you are after my bound items.
    The problem is not about macro, it never was, it is about the PK bug or the "normal game mechanic" which allows for a character targetting monsters, not forcing the attack and specifically having only monsters as allowed targets in setting to suffer PvP and PK penalties. I was also never scammed, only L2Store users are careless enough to be caught by this bug, PvE players which only pay PA and are here since the server start, know how much they worked for those items, we won't lose anything to RMTers. If the GMs made this calculation, they are wrong, they will have to ban us because we won't be deterred by any abuse from the RMTers, only L2Store users will leave because of this "feature".

    I am playing l2 since 2004, once I went from the fort to the bot trains' place for 16 hours straight in Franz with my main to "harass" it while the enforcer PKed me each time. I have lost more than one hard-earned level, but I made a point, he can't keep his train there, he has to move. So, if you really think you can chase me away with bug abuse and threats to scam me, you are in for a long wait. I am not playing for level and gear, I play with my friends, all people over 25, most about 40, we can fully ignore RMT-ers and will always do, but Innova lost at least 2000 Eur (and probably ten times more in reality) so far from the people that left only from our poor clan and were spending moderately, 200-300 Eur a month. It wasn't even because of the lost gloves, for instance, but because of the attitude of blaming the victim. How many more people like that have to go until the attitudes change?

    Or, maybe, we close L2 EU and stop the headache? Where will you make money then? All those people talking about macro in the PK Bug threads?
     
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  19. mYzor

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    If im not mistaken people were sugesting that when a mob is the target and an AoE attack/skill is used, it shouldnt affect other players.
    So, say im in Bloody Swamp, and i get attacked by a Rogue. I flag back and wound that Rogue to the point of him using hide to get away/buy time/recover/re-ambush/whatever.
    According to the new rules: cant i not target a mob, near where i predict he will end up when he hides, and use an AoE to flush him out and damage him in the process?
    Maybe im overcomplicating things or got it realy wrong, if so im sorry for that.
     
  20. Jintxa

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    If you have pve target options, yes you cant make it. For that hoy need game options>all targets.This is how it should be
    Mar 16, 2019 at 12:29 PM
    It's more ... how many times doing PVP without using forceattack have you become pk? I once and I do not see sense. I never press control to do PVP so I can only hit purple people and still put me pk. I never understood it.
     
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