It is to laugh. Pride does everything in their power to alienate the entire server, pking people who are afk, trash talking in hero chat, acting like bullies, bragging that it was them against the entire server. Now, they cry that those who oppose them "have too many clans by their side." Ah, gee, wonder why? Try playing fairly, honorably, and decently and you might gain enough allies to make for a healthy server. As for what I'm afraid of, I haven't played Red, so I don't know for sure. What I have heard is that one clan pked the rest of the server so much that most got disgusted and left -- either left the game or left for other servers. Once they chased everyone away they had no one to fight so now they want to come over to Blue, chase ever one away here and not have any one to fight again. Perhaps I've got it completely wrong. Like I say, I wasn't there. In truth, I don't even know if it was United or the folks who left who were doing the pking. If I do have it wrong I hope someone here will explain what actually did destroy the Red server. I'm sure that information would be of great interest to the folks on Blue who want to know what will happen to their server when the merge with Red come, which it eventually, inevitably, will, whether we like it or not.
It's pretty simple. Before the Death Knight update, and i mean when the patch went online on ru servers, all the ppl who spoken russian and the like left the red server so yeah basically bad marketing by innova. With red server population reduced to 1/3 the members from united clan began to pk everyone multiple times x day, and i mean everyone, whitout any reason at all and i mean even allies, untill they log off for the day and eventually untill they uninstalled the game. And the reason it's pretty simple. No one after the initial investment had more money to purchase the boosts innova was selling with the only execption of ikiosuke from t side The reason behind this neverending pk by united clan was pretty simple if we [united] can't lvl up anymore no one should be allowed to lvl up anymore even if someone was actually buying goods from innova to play the game and lvl up he was forced to uninstall the game. so they [united clan] began to pk everyone from lvl 40 to lvl 80, expecially the neutrals untill everyone, but the united members, uninstalled the game I, myself, was so frustrated by innova eu way of acting that I went to play on ru servers because on there such things aren't tolerated because if the customers uninstall the game innova ru doesn't get any more money I posted the problem in here a couples of times just to be banned by kreage the drunken ru dude. That's the story. P.s. don't be foolished by red server players' numbers There are so many ways to work around the 1 account limit if you log in on red all the toons you see are united clan's alts. There are videos on youtube about Ginto [United clan leader] playing l2 essence eu Only Ginto is using 7 ladtops all connected to red server run by innova. @Warendo please dude look at your a grade stuff it was granted to you by Ginto you don't have not even the money to buy a single sg pot that's why you keep pking everything that's moving. You from United simply can't tolerate that someone else has money to spend on this game so you are constantly pking them. GL with an empty server.
Absolutely not, in fact, what Innova should have is to take actions to fix braindead people issues. Eventually you'll leave and people will raise. So, as soon as you leave the better
ZackTH - Thank you for your reply, but why em I the bad guy here? I dont see anything I did wrong, can you clarify that for me please? And reason why RED server died is Tribunals. Biggest Russian ally left as a one man when Innova opened new RU Essence server, we lost like half of server population and from fair two side war only one active ally on server.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about you like a person, i'm not considering you a "bad guy", it is not personal. Tribunal left, ok, nothing we can do about that, but we as a players are responsible for the sides in the server, if it is dead is our fault to don't bring 2 sides at least to pvp, you cannot ignore your responsibility, is not everything your part, but the point is, we all have to do everything we can to have 2 sides fighting and keep the server alive, and this is up to you guys, if you enjoy one side server, fine, if not, make the necessary to have competition. And, as the fact is that you all prefer to dominate without opposition, the best for the server is that you all leave asap and then people with a INT bonus (not with your current dyes -12 INT, consider this a joke mate) will create 2 sides as it use to be and should be
Thank you so much for the explanation. I understand now that I was correct. United destroyed Red by PKing everyone in sight. I am concerned that they will do the same on Blue when the servers merge. As a side note, that's what Pride tried to do on Blue and failed. Now, as noted above, they are whining that things are impossible because everyone is against them, while irrationally, making matters worse by still PKing neutrals. I suppose Pride is hoping the servers will merge and they will be able to ally with United to PK everyone else to death and "win" the server by destroying it. One other note. The Pride guy said that Sunrise helps Swarm/Avarice at sieges. That is not true. Sunrise does not participate in sieges. They do, however, allow their members to serve as mercenaries for whomever they want. Now, which side do you think most players will choose, the one that constantly PKs them when they are AFK or the one that opposes that clan? Not a tough choice, is it?
ZackTH - okey, thank you for making it clear for me. Yea, maybe we could make 2 sides, but its not that easy, we came to server as a clan from NA Giran, we somehow hoped that they is another +-40 ppl to fight against us, probably werent. About the PK thing, clan United didnt PK anyone as a clan. Most PK on RED server is Kyosuke, its NAreject, our enemy, second most PK is Ixpy, he is ours. So only 2 ppl were PKing lower level, one from us, one from enemies, I dont understand how can you make conclusion that "United clan PK everyone in sight" but ye, we all have right for own opinion.
Thanks, i was not sure what you meant earlier but now i do : I'm not "the pride guy" neither a "pride" clan member. I don't know from which corner of ur mind that idea popped out. But i mean, i'm getting used to people just stating randoms stuffs...with randomplayer, overtaken and zackth, we're living the festival of the "let's twist the reality with random statements!" so. So once we clarified i got nothing to do with Pride, let's get back to it. Facts are quite simple, tbh : Swarm clan raised with left overs of dying clans : Rambam was a BlackSunEmpire (ex ally pride), Cocaine was an ex member of Pride clan, AnimePower was Pride and lots more players that now left (inquisitor and porky, if i'm not wrong) were also ex pride/pride ally...so, long story short, if you take away Pride or their ally from Swarm, you'll end up fighting just Zergling and Adultery. Back when Pride were PKing the server (actually, they were PKing all clans that were friends to their wars. Usually. Cause we also had players such as AnimePower that wanted to PK Sunrise clan cause "you're pve, disband ur clan and join our or enemy side, wtf pve") an ally was formed to try and stop them...which, in the end, worked. Pride were doing good in 1 vs afk pvp or against low/weak numbers...but for epics and raids, they were unable to farm since they had not enough power. Not to mention that rumors saying that a guy (svs) got kicked from Pride cause he asked for gear...I MEAN, that wont surprise me. Pride got like 18 members left in their clan, and they were 30+ when they allied with BMF. BMF asked Pride to join ally cause there where no options left, there's no strong clan around that could change server balancement but Pride...again, those guy are stupid as fack, you see Meggi here (Its) that get 90% of his online time chat banned, i wonder why, but they had to chill out a bit earlier...like, stop pking randoms and recruit more players. They did, so we allied them. And server was really great, it was always a 50/50 most likely depending on who was online/how many...BUT sadly they decided to break the ally cause, again, they're stupid. True is, that we gained more than them with that ally, true is, as well, that they were slacking a lot in the latest day...i joined BMF 1 week, more or less, earlier than that and Pride were skipping most of the events...fortress, epics, raids... But the situation in the server is like this now : 1-sided, Swarm+Avarice as main ally and all friendly clan to help them, let's not mention Sunrise, they had help from Sprawl (their accademy clan), Outsiders (clan of randoms i guess, but they all join Swarm...so another accademy?) and gmpmme (ex "Banana" ally which were still helping Swarm. They were with XTBlue, then became neutral to XTBlue and BMF then somehow became friends of Swarm). Also Demokratais are helping Swarm. So, make ur maths there. And some of them still say "Not our fault if you can't recruit people" (yes it is, you have all the high-level clans by ur side) or "in siege we had 70 in CC, we can't control mercenaries...and they are still 2-3 hits so", let's for a moment ignore the fact that half avarice/swarm clan is 2-3 hit material as well, but when you have a CC of 70 (CC, cause we had like 30-40 fighting) and you have a CC of 70 + 40 mercenaries...WELL, what can we do? And the other day even Paraiso (ex ally pride) joined the "friendly side" of Swarm. Feels good tho, all the drama they set up when they saw me in Avarice was priceless, pointing their wet-from-tears fingers to me like "you wants to join here now that we're the winning side" (yeah, like anybody else did) "after you trash talked Zergling" (yeah, and i'm still of the opinion that he's a **** and everything, but i mean, my leader was Darmi, not Zergling, who cares about him?) sooo...well. Things will stay in standby for a lil bit, we wont be able to get baium talisman, eventually, but everything else is easly farmable ingame so...let's wait and see what'll happen in the next days ^^
Thanks for the history, but I don't understand this comment. Pride PKed everyone which made everyone hate them. How is that not their fault? You explain how Pride lost several of their high powered members. How is that not their fault (actually, it might not be; we'd have to know the details of why the people left)? Even to this day, despite the complete failure of PKing to do anything but turn the whole server against them, Pride still PKs AFK neutrals for no reason at all. Senseless. I came late to the server, but I remember well the first thing I heard was Pride shouting about how it was them against the entire server and they loved it that way. Now that hasn't worked out, they are recruiting and forming partnerships of convenience with BMF and 2side, yet still doing the stupid PKing and senseless, immature trash talking. Maybe someone from Pride can explain this. And maybe someone from Pride can explain why PKing lowbies and AFKers is something to take "Pride" in.
Warendo lets put this in a context we were both in eva's garden pvp zone, you were from united i was from armada same alliance Usually i let the others play even if an enemy of my clan is exping 1 inch right in front of my face because simply put i like the mass pvp and i think pking lowbies it's an act of cowardice you asked me to help you to pk the t alliance bd hero i didn't see the reason but nonetheless since you were my ally i helped you 1 minute later comes in eva's garden ixpy and pks me and i was in the same alliance 2 minutes later i changed exping spot and i went in potl to lvl up to 80 but no tiapka [account bought - united clan] comes in and pks me all in a matter of 2 minutes. The same your clannies did every single day Now no one is saying you, warendo, are a ******* all the players from united clan are psychopats who pk everything that dares to log in on red server I unistalled the game, all armada clan uninstalled the game so now we have a bunch of psychopats on red server + their 7 ladtops alts and a team from innova eu that's still figuring out how to blow up their business in their face with a bigger explosion because of their incompetence It's sad but those things don't happen or ru server because on there innova employees do want to earn their montly salary apparently on innova eu they don't give a blip so what happened to red will happen to blue in case of a merge.
It's interesting to read, to be honest, missing some self criticism, not about you as a single player, I mean, what the second side did wrong? why we are in the situation we are from their side? We all could have contributed more I'm a fan of joining the losing side, more wartags and you can contribute more to the server balance, we are all playing for pvp and fun, so, who try to join the winning side is just stupid. Being said that, I don't like the idea of helping Demokratai o any other clan, I don't mean pk them, that's not the funny way to play for me, let them grow , and let them fight for things like fortress, some raids, etc.... but I dont like to be the babysitter role, people should make some effort to obtain a benefit, trying to find power to obtain goals
SK111 - I dont remember that but it doesnt mean it didnt happen, yes, I was and I am killing and PKing enemies so if some enemy was stronger then me and I asked you for help, its sounds like me. I dont know why Ixpy or Tiapka killed you, I really dont, but what I know for sure is, that clan Armada is one of top 3 clans on server, they are still pretty active. I have char on blue now, I see the situation and I think same thing that happened to RED server will happen to BLUE in like 1-2 months. We started way faster with mass pvp for epics on RED just bcs we have huge wallets there, BLUE server is copying the RED just its like 1-2 months later. Merge will be, question is only when its gonna be and for both servers would be best if its now. Some of us farm 8kkk+ daily XP on red, because there is no pvp. If we continue like this for another month or two and then they merge us, it will destroy both servers, because RED players will be like 86+ lvl, BLUE barely 83-84. Thats why I ask for merge now, because now, it can be funny to have fair mass pvp again, if they wait with merge, it wont be a war, it will be a bully. Bunta and some other guys are already hitting top blue guys for 3-5k dmg a hit, Innova should take a action before its too late. I am old fashioned players, I started playing Lineage 2 when Chornicle 2 was new on official server and I am a bit dusgusted by nowaydays players. If someone stronger PKed you in past, you hide, worked hard to get gear and then fight him back. Thats how it worked. Most of nowadays players getting PKed now, make a topic on forum and eventually quit because were killed. I remember days when we fought with Tribunal ally, I was spending hundreds, sometimes thousands Lcoins daily just for revenges and 100%ress, none cares, but most of "new players" who play this game cant go rought, cant go kill bully whos killing them, they start crying instead. Some months ago I was fighting so much, that I lost over 2 lvls in one day from dying in pvp...And some of you guys, die two times, loose 2% and "nah, I am not goin back, I dont wanna loose xp"...thats why we dominate RED server, if we merge and someone challenge us, I am willing to spend L8000 daily just for ress and revenge again, most of us is willing to do that because thats how this game is ment to be played. I dont wanna tell you how to play it, but if you play Essence for PVE game, you are dumb in my eyes and you may think abour reroling to L2Classich which is way more PVE oriented. I hope I didnt insult anyone, dont take this personaly please, I am talking about players in general.
When did i ever say it's not their fault if the server hates them? ^^ It is their fault, 100%. Nothing to say about it. They are RUs and that's their mentality, most likely, you can't help it. They always shout ****, you should not even care about it...but i like drama, i had to unblock from chat Its, Cocaine and other random swarms that i blocked (they did first, seems to be quite a commong thing to trash talk and to block the other guy so he can't answer back) to enjoy some trash talk in hero voice. Even tho i wish Its didn't start a flame in english since it hurts my soul. And he said he took lessons in england or something like that so...guess he lied or the guy that told me that lied, who knows. No idea, when i write and say things, they always have facts behind it, i don't like to blabla random stuffs or to say lies. So, everything i said, it's what i could see with my eyes or what happened. So i have no idea, i never asked nor cared to, about why people dislike BMF or something. I mean, for sure allying with Pride was not healthy since they are hated by everyone, but beside that, i don't know. People call everyone scammer or bs like that, and everyone is greedy and ****** and ******* and w/e...i mean : Triffek was good to me and my group > Everyone thinks Triffek is a *******, minds tricker and lier. Ares555 is good to us > Everyone thinks he's a *******, scammer etc etc. So...idk, i guess it's about "points of views"...like i said, from my PoV, Swarm got a **** as leader, but i can see that with my eyes, he like to trash talk a lot, then when we fought a few days ago we were 3 and he was coming with 5-6-7+ players...he likes to act so cool against "lowbies" (me, in this case, cause facts are facts, i get too much dmg from a tank since i lack all the p2w items to a decent enchant, the best p2w item i have is the belt +5, otherwise talismans are +4, hat is PVE 10%, brooches lv 2 and pendant +3) then he explode to LamH even with an healer spamming heals...he can barely stand Dark3n in PVP and then if he dies in a 2 vs 1 he writes "Thought we would have a fair 1v1"...and rly, 5 seconds earlier he ported with over 5+ players to fight 3... Joining the losing side is...depend, useless. Cause in BMF case, as long as we had Pride, we were able to fight and stand Swarm+Avarice, after Pride broke the ally, we were left alone, we had not many chances but we still tried...sadly, not everyone likes to try and endure stuffs, so clan activity went from 30-35+ per day to...20? Same for bside. And while we were losing activity and players, the other side was gaining more and more clans/players from accademies. I just wish Darmi did what he told me before i left Avarice, things would have been way more interesting. And, just for ur info : my slot was not sell before i joined, i was speaking with some of them (even with a few Swarm members) and they asked US to join THEM and not viceversa. And even tho Darmi knew that drama would happen if we joined there (Swarm likes to drama a lot, even when Ginebra joined the day earlier they had a lama-drama) he still didn't care about it and got us into clan. Fact that Swarms "black mailed" them with share ("kick them or you wont get any share") didn't help. But who knows, maybe i'm totally wrong and things went in another way, this is just what happened to ME and what Darmi told me, maybe someone else knows more facts and they can say the truth Jan 9, 2020 The good old days where if you were "KOS" to a top clan, ggwp playing or xping. Getting PKed all the time, losing 4% even at high levels. When PKs were PKing for no reason but they could drop items, so they were extra-carefull about who and how to PK. Everytime you see a PK you had the will to run after them cause they could drop some good stuffs, like some armor, weapon or even jewels...Still remember the day we were fighting a guy (i was in X ally, so the guy was a DH or someone from Demolitions, can't recall his name), archer human, PK with full draconic set and draconic bow...we ran after him, we killed him and he dropped the Draconic Leather Armor. Interlude patch. Eh, the good old days where players had fuking GUTS to fight and do stuffs and were not crying so hard for anything. RIP
Warendo again i posted this elsewhere if someone, in this case you and constance, do have an healty brain there's no explanation in the universe why you should band with, on a daily basis, natural born pkers Now can you explain to me where a player should hide? in primeval? the max you can stay in there after the dk update it's 4 hours After that at least say the truth ixpy pks the whole red server at least 3 times then when all the others have logged off you from united begin to exp now in the front page of l2 essence eu it isn't written you can exp only while the psychos are sleeping nor there's a page so the custumers may know when you go to sleep on the other hand the other clans from your very alliance never pked a neutral or o lowbie so it's normal to exp safely at 4 am in the night european time but who in the hell will play a videogame at 4 am in the night? Glad to hear some member from armada remained last time i've logged in on red i was the last to uninstall the game and it seems you're missing the top 4 armada's cp = 20 ppl on 20 Ware simply put you are destroying a videogame and because you are pretty honest post in here how many times you say, on a daily basis to ixpy to stop to pk everyone and ixpy replies "i don't give a flak if innova shut the server off today" so enjoy it untill it will last. Please don't try to justify your clannies who installed this game with no intention to lvl up your videos on youtube speak by themselves united clan begin to pk everyone on red server when you were lvl 40 with no grade gear for you l2 essence eu it's to pk everything is moving. Enjoy it. If you want i can tell since now how this will end up in 6 months both server closed while on ru 4 new servers will open innova eu staff will say to korea this doesn't work on eu while they should say the customers warned us but we banned them Last but not least about united will lvl up why don't you try to remove the soulshot free tickets tomorrow all the united clan will quit because they don't have to money to play the pk everyone videogame.
You may be right in something, but mostly, you are not. United are big spends, me, personaly, I spend over 1k euro last month. Bunta I can say twice more? Soulshots are really not a problem for us mate. If we get merge soon and I will have fun again, I have no problem to double, triple my euro spend here, as long as I have fun, shut up and take my money Innova but now when we only farm, I am not about to donate anything. Kyo donated over 1000x L8000, its like +-10k euro for him monthly. I talk with a lof ppl on RED lately, with big spenders, we decided to reduce our spend on minimum so we can see, if our money are important for Innova and they realize, there is a problem or they simply dont care about EU, because honestly, I am sure RU server are making them x10 more money. So lets see If they wont merge, my wife will be happy I am not throwing money from window, at least -
I've played since C1 and it is invalid to try to compare the original game to this. In the old days (before bot programs and money changers, then P2W versions, L2Stores and the rest), fighting didn't depend on people's wallets. Now, you are willing to spend 20 euros daily just for ress and revenge (plus God knows how much else to improve your character). Some people can't, or don't wish to, spend that kind of money on a video game. That's no reason to be disgusted with them. If it is anything, this is a game that was "meant to be played" as a fair, subscription-based, game where hard work mattered. That's what it was in the beginning. Now, the hard work is automated and all that really matters are people's wallets. I still enjoy the game and am willing to spend enough to have fun. I'll never dominate, but as long as I enjoy it, I don't much care. But I certainly understand those who don't wish to spend a ton of money just to have a PKer kill them while they are AFK. It's a shame really. This used to be the best game ever written, and nearly everyone could afford to play it. Now it's just a good, not great, game, for people who have money to burn on pixels.
Ware i made a distinction between you + constance and the rest + i don't know bunta that well ppl laughed at me when on month 3 i wrote ikio already spent 20k € from united pov there's no reason to spend a single cent -> where should be innova gain in this? everyone who dares to log in on red server will quit due to ixpy and tiapka in 2 days -> where should be innova gain in this? Tbh if I run a business, and in some way I run one, the first thing i do every day it's to make sure it's fluorishing and no one is trying to destroy it - innova eu staff didn't do anything to stop the red server actual mess About the ru servers simply put they are earning like in here x 10.000 because everyone can exp in peace if they want to pvp they don't go in pog or in potl to kill everyone in sight everyone is buying boosts everyone is happy + name a videogame which you paid to play only to be killed for no reason by another player passing by over and over and over again I'll give you an hint ware everyone on red lvl 76+ spend 1k € but in the long term it's far way better to uninstall the whole thing and consider it a bad investment at least you don't have to eat your daily dose of anger and can spend your free time relaxin in some other way with some other videogame or with the same simply in russian. Another hint from innova forums main page https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/670988/#post-9222107 I bet with you, ware, what you want that the pker it's just Ixpy the psycho
Thunderbuild - you are very right and I agree with you, it changed from work hard to pay hard, but its fine for me, we are 15 years older then before, we dont have a time to play that much as before. P2W shouldnt be that big, but if there is not option to buy things for euro, students, teenagers, jobless ppl would dominate here. From my point of view, you should be able to buy for euro only those items that are farmable by playing. So you have a choice, you are working adult who has some money to spend and not enought time to play or you are poor guy with tons of free time, both should have same chances. But playing on base subs is not cool from my point of view, it would be "who go more no-life wins", for ppl with family its not good.
As it happened on RU black, ppl started complaining - no responce from Innova, ppl started riot (in Giran) - no reaction. People went offline, reduced donations to minimum and some top clan were preventing anyone in top locations from exping up. Only then Innova started to listen to the community and did something... To sum up - Innova only understands low donations/ low online, otherwise it tells stories and apologies
