PK in low level areas

lies, lies and more lies.

big words from l2store warrior.

 

Who told you i pve in bs?? i m just saying that i don't agree for what this guy is doing...read that clearly before you answer and try to understand what i m saying...read it again and again so you will understand it.
I m on this server since opening....my char is 108 lvl and i lvl him before macro exp was here...you got it?? so lvl up your char at bs... if you find spot or we can arrange something for you. tell us hereo what you want.
And btw you didnt even make half of pvp's that i did so go sleep now...and stop bla bla bla to play smart in forum cause you are not. we all have to agree with you???

 

i don't like when peoples can spend more money every month in l2store than i can afford in 3 months. so disable l2store, or make limit 20€/month per account (all accounts should be on one master acc, like it was in ncwest long time ago). Or i don't like when peoples go to oly on fri/sat, those evenings i have to work, i want oly in middle of the week when i have free time to play.. what else you don't like and want to be changed?

 

not everyone is "simply doing PvE afk" some are trying to xp , level up and get to actual fair PvP... some are actually new people trying to get in the game and learning , they cannot simply "keep doing their stuff"
If you call this bullying "game style" you have serious issues and not just in the game area..

 

In the end it come down to 4Game's financial and higher up chain department, they are after all a business and business comes before the players (corporate politics FTW).

With some simple calculations i can make a rough estimate to their loss.
At least 30 people i directly or indirectly know who freshly started ended up deciding not to buy (multiple) premium and xp items.
The amounts lost are very likely even higher due to potential future investing to invest into the store promotions which now will not happen.

Simple sum, how much euro/$ does that 1 person pay? Unknown but possibly not more then a dozen euro's.
How much revenue is lost due to potential players now not being willing to invest at all? Lets make the calculation:

30 x 1 month premium 9 euro per = 270 euro
30 x 25 euro worth of xp items = 750 euro (due to low level with no gear more xp items probably needed)
So even on this basic calculation they already lost out on a 1000 euro p/m

Now taking on average that some of these people would invest even bigger then that (multiple premium, more xp items, buying store promotion items, tickets etc).
It's easy to come to the conclusion that just with these 30 known people they already lost possibly upto 2000 euro p/month.

The scope is much larger then this, there are way more people out there who also feel the same way and either considered buying premium/xp items/other stuff or stop purchasing after this experience.
Without full financial disclosure i can't calculate the true impact but from a rough guess i would say its quite likely several 1000's of euro's per month 4Game is now missing out on.

Once they make these calculations themselves, this is what will dictate their action most likely.
Not because people come here on the forum to complain about what they do not like but simply due to the impact on their revenue and the "numbers" game.


As for my own opinion about the matter:
PK on it self is fine with the old system (more then 4 PK, risk drop gear), risk vs reward and balance.
I loved the thrill (and risk) of being the hunted (PK) and risk dropping items myself but also being on the other side, to hunt for the PK'er and possibly drop (some) of their gear.
This was changed due to the problem related to making people PK while they macro, this problem has since been fixed with introduction of "Monster only" target.
So i would say it would be fine to put this system back as it was, it could go paired with a full PK/negative reputation reset to prevent people from being stuck in impossible situations and to start off with a fresh slate.

PK will always be there, defending a spot/fighting with people usually because a better spot is wanted.
This is fine, some will be better geared but that is fine too, you win some you loose some.

Excessive non stop PK of a entire server of poorly geared characters from people who are not equipped to have any chance whatsoever due to both gear and level difference is a different matter.
It is not a healthy way to promote PVP, in fact it just causes the opposite where people right now get a adversity against the entire PVP aspect of the game.
These actions will negatively affect their decisions later where they just keep avoiding PVP entirely because they feel their toon will not be ready for PVP rather then causing them to be competitive with others in the same level/gear bracket.

 

You may be right, or may be wrong, I'm not argueing to your post. Though your estimation is incorrect, or at the very least incomplete :
- Population decreased a lot way before this PK festival started or was even possible. So the reason for the leave is different. PK is only a reason for ppl to justify themselves.
- Quiting before even going out of Blazing just shows that you're not ready for the game. Meaning you would quit fast no matter what. No revenue for Innova anyway, so they are not losing anything.

 

108 since start of server means you do not know anything about exp. And there is nothing to think you are authority for anyone lol. Now just raging like a kid who want to show others how super he is and in fact you are not, just a little piece of 108 low lvl character lol. When you will join one of sided clan where i belong and everyone is 110+ then we can speak random.

If you are the one who mix real life and game than you should have special treatment. I speak in game world. Because in game is in game. So please, stop mixing this 2 worlds. Because if you do better stop with playing computer games.

 

Not sure if i would be far off, i can only make a estimate to what i do know anything else would be guesswork.
In this particular case i am talking about a group of people who decided to take a look here who all agreed that it was looking good till now and were ready to take it up to the next step.

Also not saying any will quit, they all a persistent bunch that wont just give up when they run into the first hint of trouble. In fact it might motivate some to keep pushing so one day they can take that fight right back to whoever is doing it now.
In the end new fresh building up characters need a bit of breathing space too, otherwise it just turns into yet another money drain with no gains for 4Game

 

Exactly... 108 cause i also had my breaks and i have a life... if i was pve all day like you think... and macro exp all day i would have 110+ now. So you see not all people is on macro exp every single day.
And i never said i m super... i m just a normal player like everybody else.

 

Hi All,

I have started this post a few days ago, and today I am really happy to read there was a reaction from the Innova Group (@Senny):

https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/673418/

Thank you all for replying and sharing your thoughts and opinions with me. I can finally say: Happy XP-ing

Cheers!

 

Why ? you can get pk 1000000000 time, like before until the guys don't ask you something for stop or i miss something maybe

 

I'm sure you'll love the thrill of you and all your friends waking up dead, in the ground, with PK and having lost half of your gear's worth because someone did pk bug on you and made you drop items you spent months farming for (since that was the reason they removed drop on PK, a lot of ppl were abusing and making ppl on afk macro drop bless antharas, weapons, sets, etc).

 

so that thread works how? you still can pk everyone who is moving, but simply don't say anything.
and this part "Measures will be taken only after verification by our specialists" reminds me when fragola said in reddit AMA about bots - to ban bot they need literally catch him in action. all reports, videos, or twitch/yt live stream is not an evidence.

 

" and this includes obstruction of the game process by extorting in-game values through threats of killing a character."

It is not limited to but includes threats...

Obviously this is regarding this issue and I'm pretty sure the aim of this is to stop these poor choices of bullying...

 

This IS the game market manipulation.
Not allowing legits to gear themselves during rare free events, means the demand for adena increases.
Who benefits from these sales? Who was unbanned recently for such violations?
You now have an idea about who ninja guy is
Innova believes large store users are supporting the server when they actually only recycle at a huge markup the money other people pay to them for adena, money which should have been Innova's directly if they took care of the problem instead of unbanning perpetrators.

 

there is countless places where u can farm letters. its up to u choose one, peace.

 

They forgot that original pk was core game mechanic even though it was very much outdated and this new pk with quick fix **** is just a joke and is nowhere close to "core" game mechanics.

 

XDDDDDD this crybabie xD

 

There will always be a prey and a hunter ! choose the one you want be

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Tell that to low level players with paulina or exalted gear at best.