InGame/Hardware macro and Penalties.

As an "oldschool" player i get where you're coming from but this statement is one of those times where if you go too far, no one can take you seriously anymore.
One should never go full ..

 

Bans started when they realized people start making good Adena IG, I don't see bans in NCWest were people make nothing from the same areas. That's why they count on bracelet event to deflate the server with those 200kk daily passes.

 

adena IG or € OOG?

 

Does it really matter? No one can really stop Adena sellers or RMT meaning trading with real money illegally and not through L2 Store like some think.

 

Hardware macro has 0 efficiency compared to possibilities of a software bot.

 

Hardware macros do the exact same things you could do by pressing the same buttons, with speed and reliability being the upside of it

 

I wouldn't say it's faster or more reliable. It is simply for afk/laziness. Coordinated skill usage is better.

 

well. you know better. g
my point is: if you want play this game do it in proper way, play with hands, not with afk macros. if you don't want to play like that - find another game. and excuses "oh i was on synapse" or "i was on n52 or other gaming keyboard/device" it's not an option. play with hands, otherwise logout. and don't throw excuses oh, this game took so much time, i have family, kids, studies, homework, bla bla bla.

i'll quote one post from other QQ thread.

Original post: https://eu.4gameforum.com/threads/656216/page-7#post-9148481

 

I think you got us confused with EN tears over the ban and macro, but good try fanboi

Was expecting more from you...this post makes no sense at all. Try again.

Yes, it was totally fine because nobody got reported/caught. But it was illegal to start with. Everything is fine as long as you don't receive the consequences (RMT, botting, cheating, bug exploit)

Dec 11, 2018

I dont think he was talking about the comparable capabilities of both, he simply referred to all of those as bot, because that's what it is. Ingame/hardware/software are all bot programs.

 

If this was the case, then why we are having a discussion about it?
Then why Avatar party is unbanned?
Then Why GM says it's fine to use it?
Why why why?

So many questions, so less sense in your posts ...

 

They got banned, that's why we have this discussion. And they say its fine, because they recently said for Ru servers its ok to use it and our new CM works with Ru servers. Our old CM made official statement 2 years ago, that it was illegal.

So, its pretty simple, it was illegal, they got banned, but luckily around the same time some GM/CM said on Ru servers its fine as long as you're not afk, so they came here crying and demanding justice. Oh, and he got unbanned (for the 3rd time) because "many thousand euros"

 

That is one way to put it. Or...
It was always legal to use hardware macro but Avatar pt was banned because they thought it was 3rd party software bot. And therefor got permanently banned. However, after reviewing the situation it appeared to be that he used Hardware macro but still use it in an illegal way (afk or not actively showing to gm that they are not afk). And because this is still illegal but not software / real bot program so they got warned and ban got reduced to 1 week. Next time some one gets caught for afk macro a second time, it will be permanent for sure.

 

First, they got 30 day ban for software (according to Avatar himself), that's also very generous penalty considering that's Avatar's 3rd ban if i'm not mistaken. And also I suggest you search forums so you can find our previous CM stating in plain english that hardware macro is illegal (without any exceptions) and there are no other official statements from Innova team (EU) about this until now.

You can twist it all you want, but its funny to see EN trying so desperately to expand botting beyond ingame macros, you gotta keep top PVE clan status somehow

 

OK according this post its 30d, but on discord he said 1 char got permanently banned (the one with hardware macro). Anyway doesn't change the fact that they reduced it as it was hardware macro and not software.

And just gonna leave this here:

If it's to hard for you to understand that they are saying here that you can and allow to use it, then I dunno what else you need. I also don't get the fact why you keep referring to EN all the time. I mean get out of town once and check what's actually going on in SOS and other populair farm spots. There are tons of ppl on hardware macro, that includes Horde, EN, DDZ, PF, Team, etc. It just happen to be that Avatar pt is the first one to get in problems for doing this AFK (which is in fact against the rules). If he just showed the gm they were not AFK, nothing would have happend, as then there was nothing illegal to their actions.


As for earlier statements by GM's they were always referring to automated gameplay using software to emulate user behaviour. But enlighten me with the post or official statement from Innova/GMs/CMs saying something else and I'm happy to take back my words .

 

I don't know why you even posting what Artchem said when his post is at least 2 weeks after the ban itself...

I dont care who gets banned and I wish Innova actually grew a pair and start banning people for real for breaking the rules, does not matter for me who it is. Actually historically a lot of people came to Core, because Innova did a great job at banning bots and they are negotiating botting rules now

Also it is mostly EN crying here on forums about it with the pretext its somehow "unfair" lol

P.s. you also realise that key/mouse macro is also 3rd party software pressing buttons for you?

 

This luckyluciano is really trying hard for forum clown of the year. Artchem stated it clearly, macros are allowed and he keeps refering to the words of some CM who got removed from innova team over night and was propably one of the worst innova staff we had in years.

 

Fair point @LuckyLuciano. So apparently there has been some changes since that point that they started to allow it or gave the impression that people could use it before the official statement. Don't get me wrong, personally I also thought it was illegal in any way. Even not AFK. Anyway, seems I was wrong here so I take back my words .

I'm just quoting Artchem to show that apparently there were some changes some time ago that some or most people were not aware of and there for Avatar makes a good point to go against their decision and Mitsa to ask for an official statement. Seeing the post of Artchem they somehow were right... that's all... Like it or now.

Well, that is not so weird right? It's one of EN groups that got hammered. Ofc EN members will try to protect them, especially as they feel like it was unfair because of vague rules about it.

I do.

However, it is not the same as a a real bot program as they are not that advanced.
For me macros (non repeatable) should be fine to be used it shouldn't benefit a person that much in normal cases. But it can help a person with a disability (missing finger or what so ever) to overcome his limited reach by making a single keybinding.

 

If you think only EN got "hammered" - you should rethink. Coz TH side got also, I guess some not sided people as well. So stop pretending to be victims for once. In Th people got bans, they got unbanned after a week, and you did not hear not even a single noise from them. They knew why they got the ban, they understand rules and they accepted the punishment, while you started to go all way in (support, forum, discord, in-game chat) about how this game is unfair and how poor "legit" avabot cp got punished for nothing.

 

The ppl on TH that got 1-week didn't even tell their own clan members, so I guess it's normal for them not to make much noise about it, since from what I know quite some groups on TH also use synapse for sos as well, so this topic is good for them as well to know what is allowed and what isn't.

 

[QThis whole discussion is not about beeing victims or not. Or beeing the only victim here. It’s about getting things clear on paper and yes avatar pt is beeing used as an example but it could have been any other pt. If any pt uses illigal stuff they should be banned and get excluded from the server easy as that. En, horde, random who cares.

But what is wrong about questioning certain actions?

At least because of all this there is a more clear line of what is allowed what and not. It will benifit everyone in the end (or not).

If the gm had stated macro is illigal in any way, then fine, Bb avatar have fun counting bananas.